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View Poll Results: How will illegal immigrant invasion caravan effect midterm election
Help Republicans 203 74.09%
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Old 11-15-2018, 08:58 PM
 
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Twelve states offer driver's licenses to immigrants: California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Nevada, New Mexico, Utah, Vermont and Washington. The purpose is to allow people without the ability to get a regular license to buy insurance. Sanctuary laws do not protect "illegal alien criminals" This stuff is getting old, it's repeated ad nauseum and most of it is simply untrue.
That’s a load of crap. It DOES protect criminals. When police arrest a suspect who’s an illegal alien and put their info into a national database, ICE can put a hold order on them. The sanctuary cities ignore that order and protect the criminal.

What’s getting old is apologists like you who want to protect criminals and allow these illegal aliens to steal identities and take jobs from legal immigrants and citizens. They’re here illegally. It seems you don’t know what that means. It means they shouldn’t even be here let alone be rewarded. That should be something even you can understand. You’re pro-criminal and everything that’s wrong with the state.

You said you were going to put me on ignore. You either have a lack of commitment or don’t know where the ignore button is. You can contact the administrator if it’s the latter. I’m sure they’d be willing to help you.
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Old 11-15-2018, 09:00 PM
 
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Since you deal only in facts, how many do buy insurance? You know there is no way to enforce that.
She doesn’t deal in facts. She just wants to protect criminals.
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Old 11-15-2018, 09:29 PM
 
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That’s a load of crap. It DOES protect criminals. When police arrest a suspect who’s an illegal alien and put their info into a national database, ICE can put a hold order on them. The sanctuary cities ignore that order and protect the criminal.

What’s getting old is apologists like you who want to protect criminals and allow these illegal aliens to steal identities and take jobs from legal immigrants and citizens. They’re here illegally. It seems you don’t know what that means. It means they shouldn’t even be here let alone be rewarded. That should be something even you can understand. You’re pro-criminal and everything that’s wrong with the state.

You said you were going to put me on ignore. You either have a lack of commitment or don’t know where the ignore button is. You can contact the administrator if it’s the latter. I’m sure they’d be willing to help you.
What are you talking about law enforcement putting names in a national database and ordering a hold on them? You can't arrest someone because they have the same name as someone in a database. You have to arrest them for an actual crime, not suspicion that they are in the country illegally (and that applies to all cities and states sanctuary or not) and then enter their fingerprints in to FBI and DHS databases. Good grief, I just can't get over someone making a claim like you did an expect it to go unchallenged.

And you have turned out to be too entertaining to put on ignore
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Old 11-15-2018, 09:30 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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That’s a load of crap. It DOES protect criminals. When police arrest a suspect who’s an illegal alien and put their info into a national database, ICE can put a hold order on them. The sanctuary cities ignore that order and protect the criminal.

What’s getting old is apologists like you who want to protect criminals and allow these illegal aliens to steal identities and take jobs from legal immigrants and citizens. They’re here illegally. It seems you don’t know what that means. It means they shouldn’t even be here let alone be rewarded. That should be something even you can understand. You’re pro-criminal and everything that’s wrong with the state.

You said you were going to put me on ignore. You either have a lack of commitment or don’t know where the ignore button is. You can contact the administrator if it’s the latter. I’m sure they’d be willing to help you.
Sorry but how is it that the Police know that they have an illegal aliens?

Under what authority to they ask about citizenship?

Is there some local law violated by an illegal aliens status? I am sure any number of people arrested by the local cops have violated the Tax code or some other Federal regulation. Shall we have the local cops interrogate them about possible federal violation when picked up on a local charge?

And actually I only want to get rid of the illegal aliens. By making them legal. Which is the only rational way to deal with them.
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Old 11-15-2018, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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To enforce what, buying insurance? Of course there isn't but there is a penalty for not having insurance, California DMV automatically runs car registrations against insurance data and if a vehicle is not insured the car registration is suspended.
You are threatening a guy who likely trekked a 1000 miles on foot, on a flat bed, on top of trains and ate scraps by taking away his car registration and fines? Just stay behind your gated community. You are so disconnected from reality.
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Old 11-15-2018, 09:38 PM
 
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What are you talking about law enforcement putting names in a national database and ordering a hold on them? You can't arrest someone because they have the same name as someone in a database. You have to arrest them for an actual crime, not suspicion that they are in the country illegally (and that applies to all cities and states sanctuary or not) and then enter their fingerprints in to FBI and DHS databases. Good grief, I just can't get over someone making a claim like you did an expect it to go unchallenged.

And you have turned out to be too entertaining to put on ignore
Oh good god, I didn’t say they’re rounding them up because they have the same name as someone in a database. If someone is arrested for something (nothing to do with their immigration status) local law enforcement will ignore a hold order from ICE. Are you that dense that you can’t understand that?

What do think a sanctuary state or city is?
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Old 11-15-2018, 09:45 PM
 
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And actually I only want to get rid of the illegal aliens. By making them legal. Which is the only rational way to deal with them.
That’s a brilliant idea! In fact, you’re a genius. You just figured out how to get rid of all crime and make this world a utopia.

We just make everything legal. Nothing is a crime anymore. There, all crime gone.

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Old 11-15-2018, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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That’s a brilliant idea! In fact, you’re a genius. You just figured out how to get rid of all crime and make this world a utopia.

We just make everything legal. Nothing is a crime anymore. There, all crime gone.

Nonsense.

Illegal aliens harm no one. On balance we break even.

Criminals harm individuals and us all.

And not legalizing the present illegal aliens does huge harm to us in the long run including allowing the illegal alien population to grow.

So do we wish to enforce the immigration laws or not? It appears not at the moment.
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Old 11-15-2018, 09:54 PM
 
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Oh good god, I didn’t say they’re rounding them up because they have the same name as someone in a database. If someone is arrested for something (nothing to do with their immigration status) local law enforcement will ignore a hold order from ICE. Are you that dense that you can’t understand that?
Local law enforcement should ignore ICE holds, they Have you ever read up on the legal problems with them?

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2018 – In Roy v. Los Angeles,
12 plaintiffs brought a class action against the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department
(LASD) challenging LASD’s practice of detaining individuals solely on the basis of an ICE detainer as unconstitutional.
  • The Central District of California held that holding an individual beyond his or her date for release on the basis of an ICE detainer is a new arrest. Since such a new arrest is made without probable cause that the individual was involved in criminal activity, the court held that LASD violated the Fourth Amendment by holding people based on ICE detainers.
  • The court held that the recently passed Senate Bill 54 prohibits LASD from detaining an inidivdual on the basis of an ICE detainer.
  • The court also held that LASD’s practice of booking individuals subject to ICE detainers when those individuals would otherwise be subject to LASD’s policy of not booking arrestees with a bail amount of less than $25,000 violates equal protection.
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2018 – In Gonzalez v. ICE,
7 plaintiffs brought a class action against ICE for violating the Fourth Amendment and federal
statutory law in its issuance of detainer requests.
  • The Central District of California ruled that the knowledge of a person’s foreign birth plus the fact that there are no records of them in federal immigration databases is not sufficient to establish probable cause of removability. Therefore, the court found that issuing a detainer based on such facts alone violates the Fourth Amendment.
  • The court found that a warrantless ICE detainer issued against an individual without first making an assessment of flight risk exceeds ICE’s legal authority under 8 U.S.C. § 1357 and is thus invalid.
Here are a few more for you,
https://www.aclu.org/fact-sheet/rece...ges-cases-2018

https://www.lawfareblog.com/immigrat...uide-perplexed
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Old 11-15-2018, 10:03 PM
 
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Nonsense.

Illegal aliens harm no one. On balance we break even.

Criminals harm individuals and us all.

And not legalizing the present illegal aliens does huge harm to us in the long run including allowing the illegal alien population to grow.

So do we wish to enforce the immigration laws or not? It appears not at the moment.
Of course they harm people. They take jobs citizens used to have, construction for one. One poster here said he lost a landscaping business because of illegal aliens. They steal identities and social security numbers. They break the law by coming here.

Try asking the family of Mollie Tibbetts and Kate Steinle if illegal aliens hurt anyone. Your statement is false.

We just make the penalties for hiring illegals so severe, employers won’t hire them. They’ll self deport.
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