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View Poll Results: How will illegal immigrant invasion caravan effect midterm election
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Old 11-27-2018, 07:34 PM
 
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How could I know that without interviewing them?

Ok fine, play dumb. Feign ignorance. Pretend we can't know that millions of North Korean people are not hungry and afraid without interviewing them.
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Old 11-27-2018, 07:34 PM
 
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And for the 100th time, that is all that is ever offered, by any country, to anyone. The right to apply for asylum. Being granted asylum depends on meeting the criteria and documentation requirements. So when people say "offered asylum" it should go without saying that it means they have been invited to apply.



Why do you keep going on about poverty and education in those areas? Poverty and education are not grounds for asylum. The only thing relevant is whether those areas offer haven from systemic persecution. Asylum is intended for those seeking safety not a better standard of living.

Not only that but in an article just this week Mexico said they had 100,000 jobs available mostly in Chiapas one of the safer areas of Mexico.
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Old 11-27-2018, 07:43 PM
 
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How could I know that without interviewing them?
Do some googling. Take the time to learn about the make-up of this group.

Most of the caravan members are young males who admit to wanting to come to the US for economic reasons. They certainly don't qualify for asylum
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Old 11-27-2018, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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And for the 100th time, that is all that is ever offered, by any country, to anyone. The right to apply for asylum. Being granted asylum depends on meeting the criteria and documentation requirements. So when people say "offered asylum" it should go without saying that it means they have been invited to apply.



Why do you keep going on about poverty and education in those areas? Poverty and education are not grounds for asylum. The only thing relevant is whether those areas offer haven from systemic persecution. Asylum is intended for those seeking safety not a better standard of living.
Flatly untrue. The US will either hold you or parole you with the right to work any where in the US. The Mexican deal would be real if it was Mexico and not the poverty belt. Note that Mexican states offered are poverty struck with much of the native population migration out to the rest of Mexico. So the deal offered is simply to join the serf pool. Likely worse than where the immigrants are coming from economically.
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Old 11-27-2018, 07:44 PM
 
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Ok fine, play dumb. Feign ignorance. Pretend we can't know that millions of North Korean people are not hungry and afraid without interviewing them.
I ran out of rep but...well said
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Old 11-27-2018, 07:48 PM
 
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Flatly untrue. The US will either hold you or parole you with the right to work any where in the US. The Mexican deal would be real if it was Mexico and not the poverty belt. Note that Mexican states offered are poverty struck with much of the native population migration out to the rest of Mexico. So the deal offered is simply to join the serf pool. Likely worse than where the immigrants are coming from economically.
Flatly true.

What you said about "hold you or parole you" does not refute but actually reinforce my point that you are only applying for asylum and have not been offered or granted asylum.

And because we have weak-willed leaders that have allowed parolees to work doesn't change the fact that they are not entitled to work. Here's what the law actually says.


(d) Asylum Procedure. -


(1) Applications. - The Attorney General shall establish a procedure for the consideration of asylum applications filed under subsection (a). The Attorney General may require applicants to submit fingerprints and a photograph at such time and in such manner to be determined by regulation by the Attorney General.


(2) Employment. - An applicant for asylum is not entitled to employment authorization, but such authorization may be provided under regulation by the Attorney General. An applicant who is not otherwise eligible for employment authorization shall not be granted such authorization prior to 180 days after the date of filing of the application for asylum."


https://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB/HTML/SLB/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-29/0-0-0-1687.html


The fact that you continue to go on and on about poverty shows that you realize these migrants are seeking better economic conditions not safety.

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Old 11-27-2018, 07:50 PM
 
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They are required to ask for asylum in the first safe country they set foot in. That country was Mexico, and Mexico, indeed, did offer up asylum. While some accepted, the majority refused. If they truly were in need of asylum, they would have been appreciative and grateful for Mexico's offer. /shrug.

Of course, the vast majority don't qualify for asylum. They've made it clear in their own words. They want the US for all the freebies.
No, they are not required to ask for asylum in the first safe country they reach. You are absolutely wrong about that. The US and Canada have that agreement but for some reason Trump has never seen fit to try to negotiate that with Mexico, maybe because it would take all the air out of his claims of huge invasions of criminals
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Old 11-27-2018, 07:56 PM
 
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No, they are not required to ask for asylum in the first safe country they reach. You are absolutely wrong about that. The US and Canada have that agreement but for some reason Trump has never seen fit to try to negotiate that with Mexico, maybe because it would take all the air out of his claims of huge invasions of criminals
Oh my

https://www.msnbc.com/david-gura/wat...31896?v=raila&
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Old 11-27-2018, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Flatly true.

What you said about "hold you or parole you" does not refute but actually reinforce my point that you are only applying for asylum and have not been offered or granted asylum.

And because we have weak-willed leaders that have allowed parolees to work doesn't change the fact that they are not entitled to work. Here's what the law actually says.


(d) Asylum Procedure. -


(1) Applications. - The Attorney General shall establish a procedure for the consideration of asylum applications filed under subsection (a). The Attorney General may require applicants to submit fingerprints and a photograph at such time and in such manner to be determined by regulation by the Attorney General.


(2) Employment. - An applicant for asylum is not entitled to employment authorization, but such authorization may be provided under regulation by the Attorney General. An applicant who is not otherwise eligible for employment authorization shall not be granted such authorization prior to 180 days after the date of filing of the application for asylum."


https://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB/HTML/SLB/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-29/0-0-0-1687.html


The fact that you continue to go on and on about poverty shows that you realize these migrants are seeking better economic conditions not safety.
Where does it say they can only be employed in rural Appalachia? Practically they can survive in the US.
The Mexican offer does not provide that opportunity.
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Old 11-27-2018, 08:00 PM
 
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Do some googling. Take the time to learn about the make-up of this group.

Most of the caravan members are young males who admit to wanting to come to the US for economic reasons. They certainly don't qualify for asylum
LOL. You don't google individuals in cases like this. I swear.........
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