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Old 12-04-2018, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Here is an interesting take on the current state of affairs from the Atlantic. Do not underestimate the fortifications of Trumps power but we are going to see a steady barrage of facts that will determine if those fortifications will hold. Time will tell.

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Mueller Is Laying Siege to the Trump Presidency
It won’t be a single news event that takes down the president.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...-trump/577264/

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The admission that the Trump Organization was working secretly—colluding, one might say—with the Russian government on a business deal late into the campaign and that Trump knew about this activity led many observers, including those quoted above, to treat this latest plea as the turning point for Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation.

But the underlying metaphors are wrong. There is no sudden bend in the path of the investigation. There is no house of cards. The dominoes will not fall if gently tipped. The administration is not going to come crashing down in response to any single day’s events. The architecture of Trump’s power is more robust than that.

We need to stop thinking of it as a fragile structure waiting for the right poke to fall in on itself. Think instead of the myriad investigations and legal proceedings surrounding the president as a multi-front siege on a walled city that is, in fact, relatively well fortified.

Siege warfare is not a matter of striking precisely the correct blow at the correct moment at a particular stone in the wall. It is a campaign of degradation over a substantial period of time. While those inside the fortified city may rely only on the strength of their walls and their stored resources, the attackers can take their time. Volleys of projectiles—arrows or trebuchets—pepper the city walls and those atop them, while the strength of the defending army diminishes as soldiers slip away and food dwindles. Moreover, active conflict is an episodic, not a constant, feature of siege warfare; the enemy army can encamp outside the walled city and blockade it without firing a shot. Over time, the walls and defending forces become degraded to such a degree that the invaders are able to scale the walls and sack the city.

No, Mueller and his forces are not a Mongol horde, but the Trump White House is very much under siege.
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So what will the big one look like, if not some Mueller-lobbed bombshell? When the walls are finally breached, how will we know that it really is the beginning of the end? Here’s a hint: The big one will not be a legal development, an indictment, or a plea. It will be a political development—that moment when the American political system decides not to tolerate the facts available to it any longer. What does that look like? It looks like impeachment. It looks like enough Republicans breaking with the president to seriously jeopardize his chances of renomination or reelection. The legal developments will degrade the walls. But only this sort of political battering ram can breach them.

Not all sieges succeed. Mont-Saint-Michel, a tiny fortified island off the coast of France, withstood English siege for the entirety of the Hundred Years’ War. If the political system does not come to care about what we are learning, it doesn’t matter how many boulders Mueller hurls against the walls of Castle Trump; the forces laying siege to it will, like the defeated Ottoman Empire after the siege of Vienna, eventually slink away into the snow.

 
Old 12-04-2018, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Mueller notified defense lawyers for Trump that his team is "in the end game of their investigation" and that his team is "tying up loose ends."




Soon.


https://twitter.com/politicususa/sta...74422452637696

I predict once his report is released, this will be a huge yawn fest, with no "Trump collusion" proof.

Zero collusion involving President Trump.

Big collusion with major corrupt Democrat players, which he will ignore and sweep under the rug.

This is all a distraction and waste of money and time. It is a result of really upset and mostly corrupt liberal/democrat players who want to "stick it to Trump" since he beat Hillary. So damn obvious.
 
Old 12-04-2018, 11:27 AM
 
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The next evidence of any conspiracy between Trump and the Russians will be the first evidence.

Fact.
 
Old 12-04-2018, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by NeutralParty View Post
Mueller notified defense lawyers for Trump that his team is "in the end game of their investigation" and that his team is "tying up loose ends."




Soon.


https://twitter.com/politicususa/sta...74422452637696

What hammer? He'll write a report that only the AG will see. Next.
 
Old 12-04-2018, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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since the title of the thread states for fact: that after the election, and before the end of the year...is there a date that this will come out??? only 27 actual days left in this year, and about 12 work days left
 
Old 12-06-2018, 04:26 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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since the title of the thread states for fact: that after the election, and before the end of the year...is there a date that this will come out??? only 27 actual days left in this year, and about 12 work days left
It doesn't sound like it's ending soon. Mueller is still hard at work with more indictments coming - some of them likely directed at folks very close to the President. Even Fox New legal analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano thinks Don Jr is about to be indicted (as does - from the sound of it - Don Jr himself).

"Tuesday on SiriusXM’s “The Dan Abrams Show,” Fox News legal analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano said he thinks Donald Trump, Jr. will be indicted as a result of special counsel Robert Muller’s investigation.

In discussing the sentencing document filed yesterday by Mueller’s office on Michael Flynn, Napolitano said, “The President himself should be extremely uncomfortable about this. Not for his son or son-in-law as much as for himself.”..."


Lots of smoke, likely LOTS of fire.

https://www.breitbart.com/video/2018...o-be-indicted/

Ken
 
Old 12-06-2018, 04:31 AM
 
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The information is coming out in the sentencing reports.

Two more due tomorrow.

 
Old 12-06-2018, 04:36 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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I wish I had as much time to write up a college paper, back in the day, as Muelller has had with this report.
 
Old 12-06-2018, 04:42 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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I wish I had as much time to write up a college paper, back in the day, as Muelller has had with this report.
Maybe it will be as much time as the GOP spent investigating the Clintons.


Ken
 
Old 12-06-2018, 06:02 AM
 
Location: Former land of plenty
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The Trump Crime Family will be exposed soon. This will be a lot worse than setting up a sham university.
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