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Old 10-18-2018, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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It would be nice if the left would simply acknowledge that corporations are just collectives, groups, of people, all sharing in some common endeavor or enterprise.

Nothing different than any other group of individuals.

Why the hate? I defy anyone to say that they could live their lives without any corporations.

You'd never get most of the services you need if you could only contract with individual natural persons for them. You'd die, basically.
What a woeful oversimplification and misunderstanding of corporations.
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Old 10-18-2018, 05:00 PM
 
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What a woeful oversimplification and misunderstanding of corporations.
Says the anarchist that doesn't believe in private property. Sorry, but you have ZERO credibility.
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Old 10-18-2018, 05:41 PM
 
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I've noticed a consistency in candidate ads this Autumn. Republicans are corporate funded. Democrats are refusing corporate funding. I hope that the independents are noticing this also.


Republicans, I'm ready for your taunts now.
Come on, you must be baiting.
Obama was against corporate funding until he was for it. He changed his mind once he thought he was at an advantage with all the funding that poured in.

Today the landscape may have changed a little, or even reverted to the 1980's mentality where corporate money knows they are safer with (R's) with less regulation vs. potential socialist policies of the (D's).
But the new funding for (D's) is through activist and in some cases communist money flowing from billionaires like Soros & Co.

If hardcore conservative billionaires were funding the (R's) the way (D's) are now, they would be having a fit. But since it benefits them, nary a peep is coming out of them.

BTW - Don't try to mention the Koch brothers, because they seem like never-Trumpsters, mainly because of their own hypocritical view of a free flow of illegal aliens and globalist views, because it lines their pockets at the expense of our constitutional republics well being.


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Old 10-18-2018, 06:04 PM
 
Location: New York NY
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It would be nice if the left would simply acknowledge that corporations are just collectives, groups, of people, all sharing in some common endeavor or enterprise.

Nothing different than any other group of individuals...

I've never understood the legal reasoning in the U.S. that can give corporations the same right as individuals. A corporation, at least in the contemporary sense, is NOT just like "any other group of individuals." Anybody who believes that really is suffering from terminal naivete. 50,000 random individuals off the street who have the same ideas do NOT have the same capacity to wreak havoc -- or for that matter to do good -- as 50,000 people employed by GM, or Facebook, or JP Morgan Chase, or any other big company. That should be obvious.

But somehow we have a legal system that can give the same rights to big companies as it does to individuals -- to give unlimited money to political causes or to claim that freedom of religion exempts them from providing contraception to employees. But of course corporations can be treated like corporations and not like people when it suits their purpose: If I use a gun in a crime I will get in trouble with the law, yet the corporation that gave me the tool to do so is generally exempt from prosecution.

Unfortunately the bottom line is that there is no legal consistency as to when corporations are given individual rights and when they are limited only to corporate rights. The only sure thing is that corporations usually get what's in their best interest, whether it's good for the rest of us or not.
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Old 10-18-2018, 06:13 PM
 
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I've never understood the legal reasoning in the U.S. that can give corporations the same right as individuals. A corporation, at least in the contemporary sense, is NOT just like "any other group of individuals." Anybody who believes that really is suffering from terminal naivete. 50,000 random individuals off the street who have the same ideas do NOT have the same capacity to wreak havoc -- or for that matter to do good -- as 50,000 people employed by GM, or Facebook, or JP Morgan Chase, or any other big company. That should be obvious.

But somehow we have a legal system that can give the same rights to big companies as it does to individuals -- to give unlimited money to political causes or to claim that freedom of religion exempts them from providing contraception to employees. But of course corporations can be treated like corporations and not like people when it suits their purpose: If I use a gun in a crime I will get in trouble with the law, yet the corporation that gave me the tool to do so is generally exempt from prosecution.

Unfortunately the bottom line is that there is no legal consistency as to when corporations are given individual rights and when they are limited only to corporate rights. The only sure thing is that corporations usually get what's in their best interest, whether it's good for the rest of us or not.
Because you don't give up your rights as an individual simply because you're collaborating with another individual, that's why! Any right to act as an individual that one person has, two people can have and exercise in cooperation with each other.

Why are you hostile to cooperation between individuals?

A company is just a group, or groups, of individuals acting together towards a common objective or set of objectives.

In your example with the gun crime....what does a corporation have to do with your decision to commit a criminal offense?
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Old 10-18-2018, 06:16 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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I've noticed a consistency in candidate ads this Autumn. Republicans are corporate funded. Democrats are refusing corporate funding. I hope that the independents are noticing this also.


Republicans, I'm ready for your taunts now.
Both sides are bought with corporations and lobbies. Government stop representing the common Joe decades ago.
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Old 10-19-2018, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Says the anarchist that doesn't believe in private property. Sorry, but you have ZERO credibility.
I own private property dude. Unlike you I actually look to create a better world and just support reactionary policies that line my own pocket at the expense of others...
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Old 10-19-2018, 10:03 AM
 
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I own private property dude. Unlike you I actually look to create a better world and just support reactionary policies that line my own pocket at the expense of others...
If you support todays' Democrats you absolutely do "support reactionary policies that line my own pocket at the expense of others"
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Old 10-19-2018, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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If you support todays' Democrats you absolutely do "support reactionary policies that line my own pocket at the expense of others"
I do not support the democratic party. I support certain dem politicians who do not take corporate money but they are a minority.
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Old 10-19-2018, 11:30 AM
 
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I own private property dude. Unlike you I actually look to create a better world and just support reactionary policies that line my own pocket at the expense of others...
I don't have any responsibility to create a better world, so leave me out of it. The world is gonna be effed up no matter what you do or what I do, so its pretty conceited and narcissistic to think little ol you is going to make the world a better place.

"The world" is immune to your pretensions.
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