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Old 10-18-2018, 03:28 PM
 
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so tell me, what democrat platform is center? Vehement opposition to tax cuts? Thats a center position? Really? Border safety? You think the dumbocrats demanding open borders is a centrist position? the idiot who wrote that tripe should be shunned from society

In the democrat party they will be awarded an honorary degree in fake news.
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Old 10-18-2018, 03:34 PM
 
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OP, thank you for this article. It really resonated with me. I have been in need of clarification of my thoughts or maybe an articulation and understanding of what we are all seeing and feeling etc. Whatever, this was a very thoughtful and well written article and does not deserve to be knee-jerk dismissed as it has been on this thread.


Much appreciated. I will be sharing it with many. Once again, thank you.

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Old 10-18-2018, 04:17 PM
 
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Right-wingers will dismiss it because it doesn't jive with their extremist view. But this is a very well thought out piece based on empirical data. It also offers some very honest assessment that will surely offend the crazies on the Right.

America Already Has a Centrist Party. It’s Called the Democrats.

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Somebody needs to put the crack-pipe down and take a look at today's Democrat party.

As extreme as this country has ever seen. Yes, the party that was formed to perpetuate slavery (Democrat party) is far out there in the land of extreme views and policies. They can't even smell, much less see, the center!!!

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Old 10-18-2018, 04:21 PM
 
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Somebody needs to put the crack-pipe down and take a look at today's Democrat party.

As extreme as this country has ever seen. Yes, the party that was formed to perpetuate slaver (Democrat party) is far out there in the land of extreme views and policies. They can't even smell, much less see, the center!!!
What do you consider an example of the far right? What about the Communists or Green Party if Democrats are far left? Far-far left?
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Old 10-18-2018, 04:21 PM
 
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Isn't this the same political party that booed Boy Scouts, removed God from its platform, kicked Joe Lieberman out, and wouldn't let a pro-lifer speak at its convention?

"Centrist," my hind end.
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Old 10-18-2018, 04:24 PM
 
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Isn't this the same political party that booed Boy Scouts, removed God from its platform, kicked Joe Lieberman out, and wouldn't let a pro-lifer speak at its convention?

"Centrist," my hind end.
Those are largely social issues(authoritarian vs libertarian). Left vs right is economics.
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Old 10-18-2018, 04:34 PM
 
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What do you consider an example of the far right? What about the Communists or Green Party if Democrats are far left? Far-far left?
I don't see the right as being far anything.

Basically, they just want to save, i.e. to conserve what our forefathers have crafted in the way of freedom, liberty, prosperity etc.

Objecting to going from what works to what has a proven track-record of repeated failure (socialism or communism (socialist with an Army behind them)), isn't extreme, it is rational.

Objecting to a bunch of extremists who want to redefine our institutions of long standing benefit to society, like marriage, are not extreme, they are rational.

Objecting to governmental brute force as a substitute for freedom and individual responsibility is not extreme, is rational.

As far as Green and Commies are concerned, whether they are a shade more or less extreme than the Democrats, is largely moot. They are all misguided at best and of mal-intent at worst.
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Old 10-18-2018, 05:39 PM
 
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I don't see the right as being far anything.

Basically, they just want to save, i.e. to conserve what our forefathers have crafted in the way of freedom, liberty, prosperity etc.

Objecting to going from what works to what has a proven track-record of repeated failure (socialism or communism (socialist with an Army behind them)), isn't extreme, it is rational.

Objecting to a bunch of extremists who want to redefine our institutions of long standing benefit to society, like marriage, are not extreme, they are rational.

Objecting to governmental brute force as a substitute for freedom and individual responsibility is not extreme, is rational.

As far as Green and Commies are concerned, whether they are a shade more or less extreme than the Democrats, is largely moot. They are all misguided at best and of mal-intent at worst.
If Communism is far left and something like anachro-capitalism is far right, Democrats are still to the right of center. They are still capitalists.

Something centrist is more along what you find in Western Europe.

The Republican Party of today is far removed from the founding fathers as well. Both parties have ventured far into authoritarianism with little regard for our individual rights.

The most socialist president we’ve had lately was George W what with the government taking ownership interest in General Motors and the banks with the bailouts. THAT is socialism.

Also curious how you square notions of freedom and liberty with the government prescribing what sort of relationships are valid for marriage...

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Old 10-18-2018, 05:53 PM
 
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Question for those who think there’s a huge gulf between Democrats and Republicans and Democrats are far left wackos. What would you consider an example of the far right to be?

I think the majority in both parties support the same things. How you get from point A to point B is where the squabble comes from, that's not really the issue because those problems can be worked out. The main problem is that the minority fringes in both parties are the driving forces.


Take something simple like the legalization of Marijuana, this is something that has wide support from both parties. When this come up for a vote what the Republican lawmaker is looking at is appeasing the Democrats they represent which will adds up to little or nothing at the voting booth, they aren't going to make me happy but isn't going to lose my vote over it either because I'm more concerned about the other things they are voting on. That leaves the far right where votes could be lost... you can apply the same argument to the Democrats on issues like illegal immigration for example.


The tail wags the dog.
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Old 10-18-2018, 05:58 PM
 
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America Already Has a Centrist Party. It’s Called the Democrats.
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ROFLMAO! And CNN is fair and balanced too, right? 21st century Democrats are anything but centrist. They complain that Pelosi isn't left enough and you think they're centrist? JFK would be considered a right wing nut job by todays democrats.
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