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Old 10-20-2018, 07:16 AM
 
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Students are supposed to listen to the teacher's instructions and should expect consequences when they do not. Moreover, when one violates the mores and values of a society, there are also consequences, one of which is shaming.
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Old 10-20-2018, 07:25 AM
 
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Students are supposed to listen to the teacher's instructions and should expect consequences when they do not. Moreover, when one violates the mores and values of a society, there are also consequences, one of which is shaming.
She should be shamed for doing what SCOTUS says she can do? I guess you think her rights should be ignored.
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Old 10-20-2018, 09:11 AM
 
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Another wanna be hero looking for attention.

She was free to pull her stunt, he was free to make a comment.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/stud...122638574.html
Yeah, he didn't make her stand. He was only expressing his opinion about the matter. Waste of the court's time.
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Old 10-20-2018, 10:45 AM
 
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Yeah, he didn't make her stand. He was only expressing his opinion about the matter. Waste of the court's time.
As an authority figure, it would have been better to keep his opinion to himself and respect the fact that he oversees a classroom full of students who obviously come from various backgrounds and ideals.

If what's stated in the lawsuit is true, not only could he not keep his opinion to himself but he went further than that by passively insulting the student and their values. An unfair abuse of power.
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Old 10-20-2018, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Like I said earlier, the article really did not give out a lot of information for me to come up with a conclusion.

Saying what she did is un-American is nothing but an opinion. Saying so =/= violating her 1st amendment rights.

So she is allowed to express her first amendment rights to something she thinks is wrong, but the teacher isn't?

However, it totally depends on the school regulations. Do they have rules and regulations to prevent teachers from expressing their political views? If they do, this teacher might have violated the school rules, it has NOTHING to do with violating HER 1st amendment rights.

All these being said, it looks like this person (student) was "frightened and intimidated. Did the teacher do something else other than saying, "This is un-American?" The article really did not give out a lot of information.

The student has the right to refuse to stand. The teacher has no obligation to refrain from expressing his opinion about her choice. In the IDEAL world, this is how freedom of speech/expression works.
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Old 10-20-2018, 12:02 PM
 
Location: United States
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Like I said earlier, the article really did not give out a lot of information for me to come up with a conclusion.

Saying what she did is un-American is nothing but an opinion. Saying so =/= violating her 1st amendment rights.

So she is allowed to express her first amendment rights to something she thinks is wrong, but the teacher isn't?

However, it totally depends on the school regulations. Do they have rules and regulations to prevent teachers from expressing their political views? If they do, this teacher might have violated the school rules, it has NOTHING to do with violating HER 1st amendment rights.

All these being said, it looks like this person (student) was "frightened and intimidated. Did the teacher do something else other than saying, "This is un-American?" The article really did not give out a lot of information.

The student has the right to refuse to stand. The teacher has no obligation to refrain from expressing his opinion about her choice. In the IDEAL world, this is how freedom of speech/expression works.
It actually seems like you missed a great deal of information from the story. Teach was clearly in the wrong.

Despite whatever rights the man may have, don't you think a little tact and professionalism is in order for a PAID instructor of children? Why couldn't he keep his mouth shut?
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Old 10-20-2018, 12:10 PM
 
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She should be shamed for doing what SCOTUS says she can do? I guess you think her rights should be ignored.
If SCOTUS were to say everyone can fart in your face, I suppose you think that means you must stay totally silent and smile when it happens.

The teacher can state his disagreement with the student protesting America for her race regardless.
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Old 10-20-2018, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Why couldn't he keep his mouth shut?
You are absolutely right. He clearly violated HER 1st amendment right.

How could I be so blind?

By the way, she is suing for violation of her 1st amendment right here, she is not suing for "the teacher is not being professional enough."
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Old 10-20-2018, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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The Complaint:

http://www.rep-am.com/wp-content/upl...erbury-BOE.pdf
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Old 10-20-2018, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Students are supposed to listen to the teacher's instructions and should expect consequences when they do not.
Not when those instructions violate the US Constitution.

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" Not the teacher's place to pass judgment."

Then we should ban the word "teacher" and call them something else, like baby sitter.
It was never the function of teachers to pass judgment. The function of a teacher is to provide instruction and constructive criticism.
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