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Real men aren't afraid of this. If you're afraid of this, take a good, hard look at yourself.
Ah yes, this tired "real men do this, real men do that" trope.
I'm still waiting for the "real woman" variant. It'll be fun to see what "real women" are expected to be and do and who gets to set those expectations.
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Originally Posted by Sheepie2000
Are you saying that the few men who are falsely accused are more important than the far greater number of women who actually are sexually assaulted?
Few men who are falsely accused? According the current narrative, there are NO men falsely accused since women never lie, especially about something as serious as rape.
ANY fake charge can ruin your life. I know a vet whose secretary was angry at him about a pay issue, so she reported him to the State for animal cruelty. She followed it through, too. And he lost his license. Had to sell his practice. He pretty much went bankrupt, trying to defend himself. So I would say that ruined his life. False charges of any kind are immoral and can do great damage. False charges can be made against men or women, of course, for all kinds of reasons.
I can't say that really understand the figures from Norway, even though I have ties there and have visited 5 times. That doesn't mean that I am intimately familiar with the sociological state of the country, so I can't really do anything but guess about the reasons for men's fears. So I won't do that here.
I think that a good, respectful man usually has nothing to fear. But there are always a few cases of injustice, whether against a man or a woman. You can site those here, but that doesn't make them a common or prevailing threat to men. I just had a conversation with my son (aged 32) about this, and even as a single man, he is not concerned. I know that is just a survey of one, but I think this is being blown out of proportion by some people.
Culture is a pendulum: attitudes swing from extreme to extreme, but we hope they eventually settle in a place that is fair to all. I think it would help all of us, on many issues, if we could back off on the insults and charges and try just being kind to each other - try to understand each others' view points. People are less likely to make any false charges of they feel respected and listened to.
As far as the case in England, I could not find anything stating this was shown to be a false allegation, just that it was withdrawn. A withdrawn accusation is not necessarily false, there are many reasons victims withdraw reports, including peer pressure and threats, as well as feeling mistreated by the police. Withdrawing reports is not uncommon but the reasons given are usually realted to the extreme stress involved with these cases and feeling they aren't believed. Another article stated that he also had a history of depression.
You stated they couldnt find hard evidence supporting the harassment allegations against the Swedish director, again, that doesn't make them false.
I'm not saying these cases are or aren't false, we don't know. I believe in due process and that would be required before convicting someone of a false report as well as any other crime. Just because women are reporting harrassment doesn't mean it's all a rampent lie and men have reason to fear being accused over a hug. I worked in HR for years and never saw a single case of sexual harassment reported. The ones I studied were very clear harassment and often went on a long time before any report was made, they weren't flirting or a hug. Most companies have clear policies and training on what constitutes harassment, if those policies are not broken, there is no case.
Reporting sexual assult is a high cost endeavor, that's why most aren't rported. Historically it is very common to call cases false when they were withdrawn, or third party accusations, such as by parents, or because the officer simply deciding it was so. A review of 10 years of studies showed that police bias against believing victims.
Very few people are saying women must always be believed, and men convicted on accusation alone. That's a false narrative. Most people are saying they just shouldn't be automatically disbelieved as has tended to happen in the past, before any investigation is done.
It would appear there are a number of men in politics resigning due to harassment. Nothing I've read indicates there has been shown to be reason to fear false reporting. Men do harrass and assault women, an accusation is not automatically true or false.
[/b] A series of high-profile cases, spurred by the global #MeToo movement, have led to apologies and resignations from top male politicians, throwing Norway’s political class into disarray.
The first man to fall was Trond Giske, who until early January was the deputy leader of Norway’s main opposition Labor Party.
Giselle, 51, had held several ministerial posts throughout his decades-long political career and was forced to step down after a wave of allegations of inappropriate behavior with young women dating back years. On Friday, he sent a letter to the party giving his version of events.
From the Conservative ranks, Kristian Tonning Riise, a newly elected MP aged 29, resigned as leader of the party’s youth wing over reports of inappropriate behavior with younger women, including sexual harassment complaints, often linked to alcohol.
The Conservatives are part of a three-party ruling coalition also involving the Progress Party and the Liberal Party — all of which are led by women.
MP Ulf Leirstein, 44, from the Progress Party, resigned as legal affairs spokesman for his group after reports that he had sent pornographic images to boys, one as young as 14, several years ago.
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I heard about this one guy who was struck by lightning. It's serious business, and it ruined his life. Naturally, I'm afraid of lightning now, and I avoid it at all costs. I'm very anti-lightning.
As far as the case in England, I could not find anything stating this was shown to be a false allegation, just that it was withdrawn. A withdrawn accusation is not necessarily false, there are many reasons victims withdraw reports, including peer pressure and threats, as well as feeling mistreated by the police. Withdrawing reports is not uncommon but the reasons given are usually realted to the extreme stress involved with these cases and feeling they aren't believed. Another article stated that he also had a history of depression.
You stated they couldnt find hard evidence supporting the harassment allegations against the Swedish director, again, that doesn't make them false.
I'm not saying these cases are or aren't false, we don't know. I believe in due process and that would be required before convicting someone of a false report as well as any other crime. Just because women are reporting harrassment doesn't mean it's all a rampent lie and men have reason to fear being accused over a hug. I worked in HR for years and never saw a single case of sexual harassment reported. The ones I studied were very clear harassment and often went on a long time before any report was made, they weren't flirting or a hug. Most companies have clear policies and training on what constitutes harassment, if those policies are not broken, there is no case.
Reporting sexual assult is a high cost endeavor, that's why most aren't rported. Historically it is very common to call cases false when they were withdrawn, or third party accusations, such as by parents, or because the officer simply deciding it was so. A review of 10 years of studies showed that police bias against believing victims.
Very few people are saying women must always be believed, and men convicted on accusation alone. That's a false narrative. Most people are saying they just shouldn't be automatically disbelieved as has tended to happen in the past, before any investigation is done.
You know most aren’t reported how? And yes plenty of people have said women must be believed no matter what. Including plenty of Dem politicians
Yes. That is exactly what Republicans think and say.
The safety of women has never been a priority for them.
As usual, they think only of themselves.
No it isn't and you know it. What people are saying is simply being accused of any crime isn't good enough to destroy someone's life.
Republicans like independents have wives and daughters who we love too.
As usual party hardliners will make any excuse to use a heinous crime for political points.
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