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Old 10-21-2018, 02:07 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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https://dailycaller.com/2018/10/20/f...s-carter-page/

I don't think anyone is really surprised. Obama and Clinton politicized the FBI and DOJ before this even happened and they just assumed Clinton was a shoo in and this would NEVER come out....people need to be sent to prison for LONG terms for this.
Donald Trump knew in July 2016 that the FBI would have spies in his campaign.

In "July 2016 Donald Trump was warned (by the FBI) that foreign adversaries, including Russia, would probably try to spy on and infiltrate his campaign, according to multiple government officials familiar with the matter. The warning came in the form of a high-level counterintelligence briefing by senior FBI officials. A similar briefing was given to Hillary Clinton."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...mpaign-n830596

And "Donald Trump's Top Intelligence Officials Confirm Russia Meddled In the U.S. Election."
https://www.govexec.com/defense/2017...ection/142131/

The real crime is the way Donald Trump and Fox news manipulate republican voters in these matters.

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Old 10-21-2018, 02:34 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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By now the left knows damn well what Obama/Hillary/DNC, in conjunction with their ideological allies in the FBI/CIA did to frame an opposing political candidate. It's not that they don't get it, they just don't care. They whine about fairness, fascism and abuse of power ad nauseum, but they're 100% on board with it as long as it helps them "win". When they said "by any means necessary" they meant it. If that means using the intelligence agencies against your political opponents, false accusations, violence, whatever. There literally is no level they won't stoop to in order to wield power over us.
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Old 10-21-2018, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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By now the left knows damn well what Obama/Hillary/DNC, in conjunction with their ideological allies in the FBI/CIA did to frame an opposing political candidate. It's not that they don't get it, they just don't care. They whine about fairness, fascism and abuse of power ad nauseum, but they're 100% on board with it as long as it helps them "win". When they said "by any means necessary" they meant it. If that means using the intelligence agencies against your political opponents, false accusations, violence, whatever. There literally is no level they won't stoop to in order to wield power over us.
Prove it. I mean Trump is in charge of the DOJ, FBI, CIA, etc. Should be pretty easy for those with access to prove their case.
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Old 10-21-2018, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Ellijay,Georgia
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Donald Trump knew in July 2016 that the FBI would have spies in his campaign.

In "July 2016 Donald Trump was warned (by the FBI) that foreign adversaries, including Russia, would probably try to spy on and infiltrate his campaign, according to multiple government officials familiar with the matter. The warning came in the form of a high-level counterintelligence briefing by senior FBI officials. A similar briefing was given to Hillary Clinton."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...mpaign-n830596

And "Donald Trump's Top Intelligence Officials Confirm Russia Meddled In the U.S. Election."
https://www.govexec.com/defense/2017...ection/142131/

The real crime is the way Donald Trump and Fox news manipulate republican voters in these matters.
That doesn't say the FBI told Trump they would have spies in the campaign that says according to the Obama FBI that foreign adversaries were trying to spy on and infiltrate the campaign.
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Old 10-21-2018, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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That doesn't say the FBI told Trump they would have spies in the campaign that says according to the Obama FBI that foreign adversaries were trying to spy on and infiltrate the campaign.
Where is it stated in the court filing that they had spies in the campaign.


Besides Nunes and the house had access to the unredacted FISA Warrant for Page, why is this coming upo again now. How much longer are they going to bring up the Page warrant who left the campaign before the warrant was even signed.


So yes the FBI uses other sources for information, I would guess that is in the warrant.
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Old 10-21-2018, 03:02 PM
 
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Where is it stated in the court filing that they had spies in the campaign.


Besides Nunes and the house had access to the unredacted FISA Warrant for Page, why is this coming upo again now. How much longer are they going to bring up the Page warrant who left the campaign before the warrant was even signed.


So yes the FBI uses other sources for information, I would guess that is in the warrant.
They basically admitted it a few months ago. Where have you been? Of course they claimed they were doing it to protect Trump from Russians, but they didn’t have a spy in the Clinton campaign. They used a Trojan horse to get in the Trump campaign, and then used it to listen to everyone. They used that to get a FISA warrant. Then when he still won the election, they came up with the Russian spy claim and unmasked a whole lot of US citizens’ communications. The Obama administration has unclean hands in this mess.
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Old 10-21-2018, 03:20 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Prove it. I mean Trump is in charge of the DOJ, FBI, CIA, etc. Should be pretty easy for those with access to prove their case.

Why can't you just be honest? You know very well, the purpose of the Mueller probe is to prevent all the evidence from being made public. That's why we can't see the unredacted FISA warrants, why the FBI won't release the 302's they're required to supply, why Rosenstein & friends simply refuse to testify, etc. etc. If Trump makes a move to force them to follow the law, it's obstruction or politically motivated, blah, blah, blah. It was a genius move to stop any transparency and ensure no accountability, but at least have the integrity to admit the truth, rather than to continue lying.
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Old 10-21-2018, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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They basically admitted it a few months ago. Where have you been? Of course they claimed they were doing it to protect Trump from Russians, but they didn’t have a spy in the Clinton campaign. They used a Trojan horse to get in the Trump campaign, and then used it to listen to everyone. They used that to get a FISA warrant. Then when he still won the election, they came up with the Russian spy claim and unmasked a whole lot of US citizens’ communications. The Obama administration has unclean hands in this mess.
The filing does not indicate they had spies inside the Trump campaign, that is is pure conjecture.
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Old 10-21-2018, 04:31 PM
 
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The FBI has had trojan horses all over law abiding Americans for as long as there has been an FBI. It didn't start with Trump.

Trump is the only one who can get attention by bitchin about it.

They spied on MLK, Stokley Carmichael, most civil rights and anti war groups. Anybody care they can spy on me, my brother, daughter or anybody else they want to? Gotta group they don't like? Betcha, they have agents in Antifa. It gets hairy when the trojan horse agent starts directing the group's efforts.

There is now a majority on the Supremes who will rule national security is more important than individual rights. So much for warrants.

There was a Russian group running a gambling operation out of Trump Tower. The feds were on to them. That explains why they had Trump Tower tapped. May not have been Donald at all. He is getting all the mileage he can out of it thought.
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Old 10-21-2018, 04:37 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Does it occur to you that the main reason that the FBI took an interest is because of Trump's long-time chumminess with shady characters and outright criminals? Plus his own dubious background. No previous presidential candidate has ever had such a shady background.
All good, until he was elected, then it becomes espionage.
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