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Old 10-23-2018, 02:28 AM
 
Location: USA
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I think it is because democrats look at voting polls some going back many decades and they concluded white Americans are naturally conservatives/libertarian/Republican voters and the illegal aliens mostly Hispanic through amnesty or time increase the democrat voter base.

If Democrats were to completely crack down on illegal immigration and immigration all together, I'd likely trade that for their socialist policies. You can fix economic policies but you can't fix cultural influences you imported.

Bingo, White people have been leaving the Democrat party in droves since Bill Clinton. As far as what you consider "conservatives/libertarian/Republican", White people across the board are less Homophobic, which is a supposed be a Liberal characteristic, compared to their Black, Latino and even Asian counterparts who are all more Homophobic as a group.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homoph...ty_communities

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertai...n-whites/5977/

"Bill Clinton won 49 percent of the white two-party vote in 1996. Al Gore won 43 percent in 2000. John F. Kerry won 41 percent in 2004. Barack Obama won a slightly larger share in 2008, but then dropped to only 39 percent in his 2012 reelection bid. Hillary Clinton got the same percentage as Obama."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.80b18b873e4e
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Old 10-23-2018, 02:34 AM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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There are many democrats who support humane treatment of all people. And there's many republicans who seek out undocumented immigrants, so they can be exploited for labor at low wages, with few benefits. Those statements are far more valid, than the nonsense that the OP is trying to present, claiming that all democrats favor illegal immigration.
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Old 10-23-2018, 03:13 AM
 
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There are many democrats who support humane treatment of all people. And there's many republicans who seek out undocumented immigrants, so they can be exploited for labor at low wages, with few benefits. Those statements are far more valid, than the nonsense that the OP is trying to present, claiming that all democrats favor illegal immigration.
Liberals hire illegals, too. Didn't you know that? If you don't favor illegal immigration, then why vote for politicians who are for it?
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Old 10-23-2018, 03:22 AM
 
Location: USA
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Liberals hire illegals, too. Didn't you know that? If you don't favor illegal immigration, then why vote for politicians who are for it?
They, Dems, Try to play both sides, as usual: "We support borders and don't want Illegal Aliens, and support Sanctuary cities at the same time". Trump was one of them for years so he knows how to fight them at their level. Except, they have removed the word "Illegal Alien" and even "undocumented Immigrant" from their Lexicon, just like Obama called Terrorist attacks on us "Work place violence" which his worshipers lapped up like milk
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Old 10-23-2018, 03:32 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Both parties suck. The Dem party to me is the lesser of 2 evils and a good way to put a check on the 3 govt branches which each has swung too far to the extreme right. Dems don’t lower my taxes and shower rewards on illegals and poor people. But they do support human rights so they’ll get my vote this time around.
No they don't. Not for a moment. Who was the party that fought for the right to have slavery? Who was the party that started the KKK and supported Jim Crow laws? You do know pretty much every where there is a cop killing an unarmed black person just so happens to work for a city that is controlled by democrats? What is your stance on how democrats support the sanctuary cities like Dearborn, Michigan, where the religion that is mostly practiced there, they will throw homosexuals off of buildings?????

It's amazing how democrats can dangle a little piece of fruit to their voter base, and get them to surrender their rights to defend themselves, their communities, country and culture, just because they think the democrats are for homosexual rights. Got news for you, as soon as they find a bigger voting base, they will leave you to the radical Islam to be slaughtered like sheep while they turn to the demographic that has the more money and bigger numbers. They did it to the Black community, still got them in chains while their policies have completely destroyed all of the Black communities. You'll see in the end that I was right. Not saying the Republicans are any better, because they are not. It took Trump to revitalize the base, but as soon as he is gone, I imagine the republican party will disappear entirely, and the democrats will be back on the path to turning this entire world into an Orwellian 1984 nightmare.
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Old 10-23-2018, 07:13 AM
 
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Voting for the party that wants to force me to submit to a deity I don't believe in and that wants to take away my right to love who I want to love will never get my vote, no matter what my opinions are on other issues.

WTH are you talking about? Since when are the Republicans forcing religion on you? They aren't forcing you to stop loving who you want to love either! That's utter BS! So, what you think only effects you is more important than what effects our nation and it's citizens as a whole? Kind of selfish isn't it?
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Old 10-23-2018, 07:14 AM
 
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Both parties suck. The Dem party to me is the lesser of 2 evils and a good way to put a check on the 3 govt branches which each has swung too far to the extreme right. Dems don’t lower my taxes and shower rewards on illegals and poor people. But they do support human rights so they’ll get my vote this time around.

Are you joking? Amnesty and non-enforcement of our immigration laws doesn't shower rewards on illegal aliens? As for human rights the Democrats don't seem to care about the human rights of Americans only illegal aliens.
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Old 10-23-2018, 07:23 AM
 
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I think a lot of people see it this way. There may be one or more big issues you agree with the other party on.

Personally I don't like the way the Dems handle guns. Politicizing every tragedy to call for stricter gun laws is not good strategy and gives fuel to the Republican base while doing nothing for meaningful gun reform. However, that's not a priority issue for me so I can overlook it. On illegal immigration, I'm not for open borders but I'm against Trump's hard-lined, cruel approach and I'm against an expensive wall that I worry may one day be more beneficial for keeping Americans in than Mexicans out.

What is this so-called hard line, cruel approach that Trump is using in regards to illegal aliens? How many times do I have to repeat that the costs of the wall is a mere pittance of what illegal aliens cost us before that lame excuse is no longer used? Oh, please we live in a free society for Americans. When in our history has our government ever tried to stop Americans from leaving this country? Geesh!


The wall to be built will only cover 700 miles on the most porous areas of the border and already approved by congress back in 2006 which had bi-partisan support. So it's not just a Trump or GOP thing. That leaves over 1200 miles open. There will always be legal ports of entry and exit. And the left says it's the right that worries about invisible boogeymen?
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Old 10-23-2018, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Well I say it is a major human and natural right for people to live among their kind at their discretion and that makes it final.
You should probably move somewhere less diverse, then, assuming you're talking about race. Like it or not, white people are going to be in the minority in the USA just like they are in the world as a whole. Croatia might be a good choice.
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Old 10-23-2018, 07:31 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I’ve been saying for years that illegal immigration will kill the democrats. Not even most Democrats want illegal immigration. We saw that in the last election and it’s only going to get worse for Democrats as more “caravans” move towards the country.
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