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Old 10-23-2018, 04:19 AM
 
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Why are students doing worse on the ACT?
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Old 10-23-2018, 04:38 AM
 
Location: Washington State
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Why are students doing worse on the ACT?
It's either the change in demographics and/or lack of focus on what's important by our educators and parents.
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Old 10-23-2018, 05:45 AM
 
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Why are students doing worse on the ACT?
It's the continuing race to the bottom that started in the 1960s when elite SJW educators of the time eschewed academics and the training of the mind to think in favor of equal outcomes in hopes that such would ensure social cooperation and cohesion. THAT couldn't have been more wrong . More research info on that in another thread, here:

Post #128: The Incubus of the Sixties

I'm guessing this generation will fall even below the millennials.

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"This exam [OECD's PIAAC], given in 23 countries, assessed the thinking abilities and workplace skills of adults. It focused on literacy, math and technological problem-solving. The goal was to figure out how prepared people are to work in a complex, modern society. And U.S. millennials performed horribly...

But surely America’s brightest were on top?

Nope.

U.S. millennials with master’s degrees and doctorates did better than their peers in only three countries, Ireland, Poland and Spain...The ETS study noted that a decade ago the skill level of American adults was judged mediocre. “Now it is below even that.” So Millennials are falling even further behind.

Top-scoring US millennials – the 90th percentile on the PIAAC test – were at the bottom internationally, ranking higher only than their peers in Spain.
The bottom scorers (10th percentile) also lagged behind their peers."
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Old 10-23-2018, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Divided Tribes of America
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Young people are destroying the world!



There sure are a lot of grumpy old men on this forum.
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Old 10-23-2018, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Why are students doing worse on the ACT?
Some states require all students to take the ACT.

Some states require all students to take the SAT.

A few states require all students to take one or another.

Some of those states posted relatively dismal educational outcomes before subjecting all students to ACT / SAT testing.

When states mandate testing , they know the state- wide scores will decline.

Why did this article ( published by very right leaning, Pajama Media) choose to slam Common Core instead of talking about states increasingly mandating testing and the impact on scores?

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Old 10-23-2018, 06:59 AM
 
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My local high school is a predominately low income school. The district pays for every kid to take the ACT. I think this is now a common practice among many districts.

IMO, the lower average score is due to the wide range of kids taking the test, not just college bound.
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Old 10-23-2018, 07:00 AM
 
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Young people are destroying the world!



There sure are a lot of grumpy old men on this forum.
Test scores don't lie. Look at US millennials' results (compared to their international peers) on the PIAAC, which assesses the thinking abilities and workplace skills of adults, focusing on literacy, math and technological problem-solving. In my prior post.

Seems our country's schools, both K-12 AND post-secondary, are producing ever-dumber and ever-increasing numbers of NPCs.
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Old 10-23-2018, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Prior to Common Core, each state decided their own standards. As a result, the highest ranking school in one state might be equal to a mediocre school in another state.

The goal of Common Core is a national determination of what each student should know/ when with an emphasis on cognitive skills. How to teach to the standard is left to the state/ school district.
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Old 10-23-2018, 07:23 AM
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Location: New Jersey
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Education gets worse the more you move away from the local level. States like NJ and NH control education at a very local level and are always near the top or at the top of standard test rankings and other independent education markers. States that control education at the state level like California usually find themselves at the bottom. Dems want to move education to a federal level. That’s the worst decision of all.
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Old 10-23-2018, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Central NJ and PA
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Common Core, Race to the Top, No Child Left Behind... all of these have been detrimental. It's understandable that we want all kids to learn, but what these initiatives have done is to ignore our brightest students in an effort to include everyone. We have way more programs designed for the lowest achievers than we do for those who are accelerated.


We're in NJ for school; one of the highest ranked states for education. My youngest is in the inclusion classroom. He has a genius-level IQ, but gets placed with the kids needing the most help because he is quiet and kind and can work independently. We just had our parent-teacher conference. His teacher said, "I'm concerned that he wouldn't ask for help if he needed it." I almost fell off my chair. How about asking, "How can we challenge your child so that he might find something difficult enough that he needs to ask for help"? How about creating a class where the brightest kids are allowed to advance beyond what the inclusion class is limited to? His 'gifted' class meets for an hour every six days. Yeah, that'll really help.


At least in the higher grades they'll pull kids out into separate level classes. It's great for everyone. My middle child has problems with processing in math. He's in a remedial class. He learns more, and more easily, when the teacher is able to work with this group of kids who are all at a similar level. He would be lost in a higher level class that proceeds at a faster pace, and would hold back the kids who are great at math.


We need to ditch this idea that all kids are, or can be, equal learners.
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