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WRONG! Just because they had some control doesn't mean they had ENOUGH to do anything! They know they need to whittle away at stuff...otherwise they'd have a revolution on their hands...that's their tactic, slowly whittle...but right now they're in panic mode because Americans are on to them...
I remember telling a friend that Obama was the best thing that could happen to this country...if we had elected progressive RINO's like McCain or Romney we would still be headed left. I knew that Obama was so egotistical that he would push the left's agenda too far too fast and it would wake Americans up to the left's agenda. He was, he did and thankfully he enabled Trump. Without the wakeup call, most Americans would still be asleep. MAGA!
Rubbish.
the dems had a super majority a number of times and did not use it to do anything to weaken or remove borders.
Facts are a real problem for you guys on this topic. Because when we ignore what you and I "think" or "wish" or "believe" the facts say THE RIGHT WING IS WRONG.
you can distract. you can talk about McCain Obama or pink ponies the facts are clear.
When liberals had more than enough votes they did not take guns, they did not open borders.
It really is that simply.
Meanwhile the Republican party LIES and brainwashes ordinary people into believing and defending that lie.
Republicans need to scare, they desperately have to get Americans scared, so they say "forced abortion", "open borders" "take your guns". "death panel".
Open borders is just one of a number of blatant lies the Republican party uses to distract and scare.
You can say you are not for "open borders" all the while doing absolutely NOTHING to secusre our borders, and even calling others racist for wanting to secure the border.
cool story, but Obama broke records for his deportations of illegals and was still repeated condemned by the right wing.
Rather than admitting Obama was doing a fine job, Republicans pretended his deportations did not count because of random made up things.
The reality is you guys have NO NUMBERS that show liberals open the borders or fail to police them. If you had any you would be publishing them day and night.
Facts are killing you guys on this. Liberals had a super majority and did not open the border, nor make it porous. they had a super majority and did not take your guns or make you have an abortion or kill god or steal churches, or eat babies.
thus it would seem liberals have never been interested in those things. but they would like to decrease the cost of healthcare and healthcare security. They would like to see better employment terms and healthcare untied from employers so that companies are not burdened and employees are free to move jobs and not lose coverage...
In fact liberals do have an agenda and it is very likely a bunch of stuff you would really like, but right now you guys are still buying into the propaganda of the right. As long as they can keep you scared of "liberals" you will continue to vote for a party that puts corps and the uber wealthy in front of the nation and the country.
He said this while Senator, not POTUS. As POTUS he wanted open borders. There, that solves the confusion for the Leftists here.
No confusion on the left.
We all know this is just another straw man. Republicans have no policies they can sell other than fear so they make up one fake issue after another and keep recycling them to keep everyone scared.
There has never been a top down call for open borders from democrats.
There has never been a grass roots call for open borders from democrats.
and not a single Republican, or Trumper can prove otherwise.
All you can do is echo each other, repeat what you heard a paid actor say on FOX or info wars.. You lack any data that suggests liberals want porus borders.
You lack any data that shows liberals let people in anymore or less than conservatives.
All the right has is propaganda, and like sheep the flock stay on message bleating bleating whatever FOX, Info and 2,000 other angry white men tell them to bleat. Thus we see baseless nonsense claiming open borders etc. Repubs need to keep you guys white knuckled in anger and fear.....
ICE started to hide the data from Obama's era because it was too good. Now they pretend it is archived, when nobody archives data that is comparative and just a year or two old.. instead they make a graph....
In fact the entire ICE site has been turned into propaganda of the most egregious kind.
politifact retained the graphs though so sadly for old trump trump can't hide it...
(about 3/4 scroll down)
seems to me it was too easy to prove liberals don't want porous borders and that Obama did a fine job protecting our border. but i am guessing you won't like those graphs and numbers because facts are tough on trump and his supporters...
It is sad to see Trump turn ICE's website into blatant propaganda, throughout it there are direct attacks on the Obama administration something no Admin has ever done in modern history. What Trump is doing with the executive branch is an abomination and we need to write laws to prevent any future admin, from the left or right from ever doing such a thing again. Truly anti democracy and dictatorial.
Republicans have no policies they can sell other than fear so they make up one fake issue after another and keep recycling them to keep everyone scared.
When Trump says the same thing he gets called a racist and xenophobe , blah blah by the left .
Can any liberals explain this ?
Mucho Gracias in advance
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“We simply cannot allow people to pour into the U.S., undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently, lawfully to become immigrants in this country” — Barack Obama
He/she is just repeating that same old leftist lie. Obama counted those turned around at the border as deportations and to put the icing on the cake he gave millions of illegal aliens a stay of deportation via DACA and DAPA along with work permits by bypassing congress with an EO. His also instructed Homeland Security not to deport any illegal aliens unless they were "convicted" criminals. His deportation record was dismal.
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