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Old 10-23-2018, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Originally Posted by Hesychios View Post
Sounds to me like a zoning case.
Another term for "property rights infringement."
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Old 10-23-2018, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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The resources on your property are yours... Not the governments.
Yep. I just wish more people would realize that Trump (and most Republicans) don't believe that.
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Old 10-23-2018, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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I can mix my labor with a lot of things. My intellectual labor will form contracts to keep you Marxists on one square mile in the middle of Kansas.

Enjoy your acre King Karl.

Wyoming is better suited--very little arable land.
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Old 10-23-2018, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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They cleared 1600 trees and it never crossed their minds to ask the question, pure ignorance.
The point is they shouldn't have to ask questions or get permission. It is their land and they have absolute dominion over it.
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Old 10-23-2018, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The point is they shouldn't have to ask questions or get permission. It is their land and they have absolute dominion over it.
So they have duly elected representatives that developed regulations and they woke up one morning and decided they can do as they please. They don't have absolute control.


There are regulations, ignore them at your own risk. The town could have fined them $700k but they agreed to $450K, good luck in court. They could have agreed to plant replacement trees or donate to tree conservation to reduce their fines, so far nothing.
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Old 10-23-2018, 05:36 PM
 
Location: New York
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Exactly. They aren't violating the NAP, and they aren't trespassing on anyone else's property, so they have the absolute right to do to their property whatever they wish as long as they continue that.

This is right in there with so many other cases of government overreach.


EPA fined a man 14 MILLION for creating a pond on his own land.
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-en...wyoming-farmer


All good, WE THE PEOPLE paid him off.

Unelected (power) bureaucrats have to make themselves busy to prove they deserve their job, even if that means going out of their way to wield that power over the people they supposedly serve.


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The point is they shouldn't have to ask questions or get permission. It is their land and they have absolute dominion over it.
Not true. Unless their land is patented they do not even own it. They pay for the right to use it, build on it, whatever and must abide by regulations and codes.


There are people sitting on multi-million dollar development projects that are being held up because of a lizard or a frog.
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Old 10-23-2018, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Lock 'em up!
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Old 10-23-2018, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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So they have duly elected representatives that developed regulations and they woke up one morning and decided they can do as they please. They don't have absolute control.


There are regulations, ignore them at your own risk. The town could have fined them $700k but they agreed to $450K, good luck in court. They could have agreed to plant replacement trees or donate to tree conservation to reduce their fines, so far nothing.
"Duly elected."

No one has the right to rule over another.

Regulations are violations of property rights, period.
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Old 10-23-2018, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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This is right in there with so many other cases of government overreach.


EPA fined a man 14 MILLION for creating a pond on his own land.
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-en...wyoming-farmer

All good, WE THE PEOPLE paid him off.

Unelected (power) bureaucrats have to make themselves busy to prove they deserve their job, even if that means going out of their way to wield that power over the people they supposedly serve.
It's truly sickening what the government things they can get away with doing.

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Not true. Unless their land is patented they do not even own it. They pay for the right to use it, build on it, whatever and must abide by regulations and codes.

There are people sitting on multi-million dollar development projects that are being held up because of a lizard or a frog.
As long as property taxes exist, no one actually owns their land; they're just renting it from the government.

In a free society people would have complete dominion over their rightfully-acquired property.
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Old 10-23-2018, 06:20 PM
 
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Land of the free...


The only statement that matters in the long run:

https://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/i...arly_half.html
Well, that was their fault for not checking out thoroughly what they could and could not do without permission. Every business needs to check that thoroughly. Permits, registrations, whatever.

I'm guessing the problem with cutting that many trees is that is was a forest, as opposed to a large lot, which affects miles of land around it, including wildlife, drainage, wind, and other things.

He doesn't seem to be smart enough to run a successful business.
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