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Old 10-26-2018, 01:53 PM
 
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Democrats are now owned by the Communists. They are advocates of full blown Totalitarian Control.
Yes we are. Bwahahahaha. Sweet Jesus.
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Old 10-26-2018, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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In a decade or so, the dems running for public office will be calling themselves "Democratic Communists"
Dems are right wing capitalists, get with the system.
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Old 10-26-2018, 03:29 PM
 
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Venezuela sells oil and distribute benefits to its citizens; the US main asset is capital and the left want to fix everything with tax. The OP hasn't a clue what he's talking about.
Since 1970's wages have stayed the same for most people; only the rich have increase their earning tremendously.

Right now, 54% of wages are less than $40,000, and they pay less taxes than what they receive. Wage Statistics for 2017

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They already can. If at any time they want they can purchase their own tools and equipment. Go to an accountant and a lawyer and set up an LLC, go to the town hall, file with the business tax department/office, submit plans to department of Planning and Zoning. Apply for, pay for, and display once received a Business Tax receipt.
Then they can claim ownership on that which they operate.

They can even take the proceeds they have earned and claim ownership by exchanging monies for tools-education, and tangible tools-equipment.

Seems you have quite a hard time acknowledging you endorse theft.

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If every one started to do that it would undo the division of labour and the great accumulation of capital. The problem is in how workers are paid. Wages have little to no relation with what the worker produces. The only explanation to the trend since the 70's is that: it is capitalists that are stealing from workers.

The solution is neither for everyone to be a capitalist like in your ridiculous example. The left redistributing capital from the rich to the poor is just another stupidity. What is needed is well informed and well educated workers who know exactly how much they produce and work for no less, instead of "selling their time". It is very complicated given all the changing factors, so the capitalist end up doing only what benefits him.
As the division of labour keeps getting more and more complex, workers are left with less and less rights. You can see it when you compare a worker from Sears, then Walmart and now Amazon.

This is a little old, but still relevant:
The fact that Amazon often places its warehouses in semi-rural/suburban areas where there are few other jobs hurts the company, too. It makes people feel like the exploitation is the whole point, not an accidental side effect of trying to save money. And then there are the margins. Amazon's operating income in 2012 was just 1% of revenues. Walmart's was 6%. Amazon has thinner margins than Walmart. That suggests Amazon is even more incentivized to exploit its workers than Walmart is — it has less room for error.

Brutal Conditions In Amazon's Warehouses Threaten To Ruin The Company's Image
Common thinking goes something like this: low wage workers are just "flipping burgers" or "pushing articles in a box", and so more money goes to person doing the logistic of it, and most of it to the person with the capital who organized it in the first place. It's a totally arbitrary system tilted to the rich. Capital grows from two sides: from the workers, and human ingenuity. Rich people ignore the former and take all the credit for the latter. The more burgers flipped and the most articles boxed the more the revenues, yet the workers wages remains the same. Isn't it logical that their wages depend on the sales and revenues? Of course, that would be less exploitation and a healthier system.

But I am probably a "radical communist" for suggesting a fairer system. This will not only be good for the general public, but it will be better for democracy as rich people would not have so much money to be throwing around in campaign/lobbying/buying influence and all sort of sinister things they use their money for.

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Old 10-26-2018, 03:42 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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Liberalism has morphed into Socialism, is Communism next for the Dems?

On your list? As long as you are lying about Socialism you might as well go for it.
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Old 10-26-2018, 05:34 PM
 
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I Think you need to do a little more reading on the subject .
Still comes down to “You work, I eat.”
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Old 10-26-2018, 05:35 PM
 
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Still nobody can give one socialist policy that doesn’t require violence or threat of violence to implement.

Just need one.
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Old 10-26-2018, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Still nobody can give one socialist policy that doesn’t require violence or threat of violence to implement.

Just need one.
If the voters vote for people who promised to implement socialist policies, and then those politicians do in fact implement those socialist policies as promised, there is no need for coercion, because the people voted for it.

You also seem to be forgetting that in a modern, democratic society, penalties for ignoring some law are not "violence," it either consists of a fine, or maybe jail time.
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Old 10-26-2018, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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If the voters vote for people who promised to implement socialist policies, and then those politicians do in fact implement those socialist policies as promised, there is no need for coercion, because the people voted for it.
Voting is itself violence. It is imposing your views on other people even if they don't share those views and don't consent to your views.

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You also seem to be forgetting that in a modern, democratic society, penalties for ignoring some law are not "violence," it either consists of a fine, or maybe jail time.
All penalties for disobedience to the State are violence, because they are enforced through violent means. If you commit a victimless "crime" like smoking weed, you can be arrested. If you resist your attempted State kidnapping for smoking a plant you are shot and killed.
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Old 10-26-2018, 05:52 PM
 
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If the voters vote for people who promised to implement socialist policies, and then those politicians do in fact implement those socialist policies as promised, there is no need for coercion, because the people voted for it.

You also seem to be forgetting that in a modern, democratic society, penalties for ignoring some law are not "violence," it either consists of a fine, or maybe jail time.
LOL. How do you implement a socialist policy without violence. Name one please.
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Old 10-26-2018, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Voting is itself violence. It is imposing your views on other people even if they don't share those views and don't consent to your views.
Well then, all I can say is, if you feel that way, I hope you don't vote. Unless you admit you're a violent person.

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All penalties for disobedience to the State are violence, because they are enforced through violent means. If you commit a victimless "crime" like smoking weed, you can be arrested. If you resist your attempted State kidnapping for smoking a plant you are shot and killed.
What about getting a $100 speeding ticket?
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