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Originally Posted by James Bond 007
This is just the type of thing a naive youngster would say. With the emphasis on the naive.
I was born in the last year of the boomer years (1964), too young to have ever gotten into any "hippie" thing.
This is at least the 3rd or 4th time you've taken a word I used or a phrase I uttered and given it your own meaning, clearly otherwise from the meaning I was using. When I said "bragging" I was obviously not saying you were proud to have lived in a liberal state because you liked it there. What I clearly meant was that you were bragging about your experience of living in a place you hated - now you know from experience what a bad place it really is.
But in fact, many people live in NY, NJ, WA and other liberal states, and enjoy it. Which only goes to show, that your conclusions you think are factual or logical, are nothing more than your own emotional reactions, no more "logical" than anyone else's reactions.
LOL, you're in denial.
i repeat ... the only reason you are doing this is because they are your own employees. It is in your own self-interest to help them. That is, your supposed empathy is nothing more than disguised self-interest. When you start being similarly charitable towards people who can never, or will never, assist you in producing goods or services for your own business, then maybe I'll start getting impressed.
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Actually no.
You're wrong on all counts.
Here's why. I know what liberalism is. I know what it brings. Reliance upon .gov rather than self reliance. It justifies taxation to support a bureacracy to micromanage the residents lives. Your whole theory on policy and daily life is that of naivety.
You
feel better with mandatory charity reinforced by state collection of taxes to redistribute wealth to supply the bare minumum.
I dont feel, I think.
You all mimic the same exact flawed ideas. NY MA CA prime example. High taxes, neuter police to not make arrests at the scene of an overdose. Because that's just not nice, and we must save lives by removing the stigma of addiction. F that. Lock them all up like you would if they were in possession of a post 86 machine gun. Heroin safe spaces! Bwahahaha. Yes. That's just what NY and MA tax payers deserve... might as well make fentanyl and heroin legal then so long as a Nurse Practitioner/doctor is being paid by the state to babysit the junkies so they don't OD.
They enable it. You don't solve problems. You enable them. But since you emotional lemmings just love feeling better about yourselves you can't see reality for what it is. Enabling.
Oh socialize this socialize that. Everyone is equal. No. Everyone is unique. Everyone has different needs, different wants, different desires. You however, try your best to convince them otherwise. I don't buy it. I didn't buy it. Hence, I fled from it after putting up a hell of a fight and realizing it's a lost cause. I'm just talking to a a bunch of lemmings as dense as lead.
My approach, I think police need to wrangle the addicts up. Offer them 2 choices.
Clean up, or go back out and support a self inflicted habit.
Choose to go support a self inflicted habit, you accept the risks of ODing.
Charge anyone with possession of wholesale quantities of that poison with severe charges like they do in Florida.
Far as how I conduct business. Aren't you all blathering about better wages? That's what I provide.
sustainable livable wages. Sure come in with no experience, no education, you'll start at 10-12 per hour. Fast learner? Like that 19 now 20 year old was? You'll make 15+ in no time at all.
Combine the fact 0 state income tax, low housing costs... work for me instead of going to college you'll be able to buy a house at 25 you play your cards right and budget... Hell you don't even need a vehicle. I'll come pick you up or if you're near one of my other employees that I give a truck to, they'll pick you up.
It's a mutual benefit is it not?
LOL complains about wealth inequality.
Someone doesn't believe in corporatism, opens a business, pays employees what they're worth. Does not believe in making retirement off of one job, rather volume and consistency. Believes in paying more than what the competition pays, to gain more employees. Hires employees with 0 background, 0 relevant skills or education.
Pays them far greater what they would make elsewhere while educating them in the process.
Your only legitimate issue with me, is I am carrying out Trump's tax cut as intended rather than hording it, I passed wealth on in the form of substantial raises.
And you despise it and are threatened by it for I am dismantling your economic theories and proving you wrong, you're threatened by losing relevancy to the working middle class. I myself, am, working middle class. I have no investors. I am sole proprietor. I answer to my customers and employees, I have no investors.
And that's a threat to 3 maybe 4 types of liberals.
1. Boomer corporatist that justify the transfer of private wealth to gain a college degree.
2. Colleges. For I pay for educating and providing relevant skills and experience.
3. Nanny statist that believes .gov handouts via taxation and wealth redistribution is the end all be all. Because it feels good to provide the bare minimum and when that doesn't work-Prison for seeking criminal enterprise.
4. Major lending and credit institutions for I do not take loans like they're candy. I'll budget, plan, and horde to acquire what I need up front in cash/check.
Didn't need a bank to buy my first house.
Didn't need Fannie or Freddy to go to college.
I've had maybe 6 legitimate loans. I've paid all of them off, far in advance.
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Originally Posted by thelogo
Venezuela sells oil and distribute benefits to its citizens; the US main asset is capital and the left want to fix everything with tax. The OP hasn't a clue what he's talking about.
Since 1970's wages have stayed the same for most people; only the rich have increase their earning tremendously
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Yeah. We see just how well that's working for Venezuela too.
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Add in the requirement of X college degree and Y years experience to appease boomer corporatists, a bunch of make believe jobs coming to fruition such as job recruiters because, managers can't manage...
For giggles I'll troll a job listing. 9 times out of 10, I will see an ad for a diesel mechanic. I'll inquire about it. How I know it's run by boomer corporatists?
Company-confidential. No walk ins allowed.
I will talk to someone on the phone interview that isn't even in the state. They'll be based out of California Nevada Colorado NY MA.
I'll ask pertinent questions pertaining to the job. They cant answer the questions. I ask to speak with the service manager or shop foreman and be denied.
But after playing their game, comes phone tag. Half of these jobs I've trolled applied for, are for fleets of big rigs or heavy equipment.
Job recruiter sees resume Ford Diesel Technician. They focus on Diesel. And Technician. ROFL the 2 are only relevant because of the fuel the vehicle runs on. No way is a Ford Dealer Technician remotely qualified to be in a Kenworth or Caterpillar shop! BWAHAHA there's an additional 200k in tools easy. Torque multipliers 3/4 to 1 inch drive sockets. The works.
Recruiter forwards with false hopes to the manager, I wind up getting in a fight with the manager and explain their recruiter told me I was overly qualified, you're telling me I'm not even qualified. I asked said recruiter what vehicles would I be working on and she/he couldn't answer and said that is part of the confidential employer agreement and that I was most certainly qualified. Manager goes from being upset at me for wasting their time, to hearing me out, now is fired up and tells me this isn't the first time I've had to deal with this, I apologize for the misunderstanding I just can't afford to be both in the shop, and answering phone calls, emails, and walk-ins.
Managers these days can not manage. I don't know how many times I've had to call the shots and wipe their nose/hold their hands due to being inept morons who's only qualifications for holding the title of manager is the fact they graduated from a business school and can use words like Productivity, Bottom Line, and feeble attempts at motivational speaking. They couldn't fix a sandwhich let alone a wheel barrow and they're hired to run a repair facility?! BWAHAHA HAHAHAHA!
Corporatism.
That's the issue for everyone. Do the least earn the most, take credit for others contributions. I don't play that game and I didn't when I worked in dealerships. I went above micromanaging dinks heads to general managers and the owners even to get things straightened out. I threw them under the bus. Had some fired even.
These managers are easy to spot. They get flustered if they have to interact with a disgruntled customer or technician. They can often be found browsing youtube, to classified ads for boats, houses, vacations etc. They're notorious for editing stories out for warranty submissions and often leave pertinent information out to cause the manufacturer to deny or kick the claim back. They'll have a "buddy" or "friend" or "special customer that takes precedence" as a priority and always want to try warranty fraud to cater to them, nope I don't feed into that. The small business owner who's truck is sitting on the lot for a week takes precedence and priority. Not some tightwad you want to appease at your whim and becking call.
I called the shots they didnt. They didn't like being showed up at their game. And when they'd threaten me I'd remind them, my tool box has wheels for a reason. It can leave here just as fast if not faster than it got here. And I've done it to spite them too. Twice I've done it, never gave a letter of resignation, never gave so much as a 2 week notice. They needed me more than I needed them. Best part. The coward spineless pricks wouldn't call, they'd have someone else call me to beg me to come back that it was just a misunderstanding and I don't know the pressure they're under and there's a raise or bonus waiting for me to come back. Nope. I'm a man of principles. Could offer me a cash bonus of a million dollars it wouldn't be enough to get me to come back. Nope. Not at all.
I've never had use for a union either, I've chased a union rep out of a shop I worked at. I have a spine and a voice, if my demands aren't met, and mutually agreed upon, I had 5 other places lined up chomping at the bit to get me. I was proficient, productive, and desirable. Plus I had a following of customers and when the shop was slow, I had my own means of getting work in the door that paid, not some pathetic 19.99 oil change and tire rotation with multipoint inspection.
That didn't go over well with the micromanaging cheap suit and tie wearing pricks at all. GMs and Owners loved me, I'd turn their shop into a gold mine. Lift kits, ARP head studs, the works. Managers, they had the illusion of control, they did not have power over me.
Parts departments stocked what I needed and that upset the powers that be. They were under the impression that inventory would collect dust. Pfft.
If parts sat for a week that was a long time.
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Originally Posted by thelogo
If every one started to do that it would undo the division of labour and the great accumulation of capital. The problem is in how workers are paid. Wages have little to no relation with what the worker produces. The only explanation to the trend since the 70's is that: it is capitalists that are stealing from workers.
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Wrong. It's
corporatists. Big difference.
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Originally Posted by thelogo
The solution is neither for everyone to be a capitalist like in your ridiculous example. The left redistributing capital from the rich to the poor is just another stupidity. What is needed is well informed and well educated workers who know exactly how much they produce and work for no less, instead of "selling their time". It is very complicated given all the changing factors, so the capitalist end up doing only what benefits him.
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And a worker is not a capitalist that ends up doing only what benefits him?
Gee. I did.
What is the absolute worst that ever could have happened to me? A bad review because a manager got showed up and told where the bear chits in the woods? Ohhhhhhhh no.
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Originally Posted by thelogo
As the division of labour keeps getting more and more complex, workers are left with less and less rights. You can see it when you compare a worker from Sears, then Walmart and now Amazon.
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Only if they allow it. I brought forth the changes I desired. Because the title of "manager" does not impress nor intimidate me. They needed me more than I needed them. The moment you drive that stake into their heart they cease to have any form of power over you, so long as you are proficient, productive, and of value to the company/place of employment. See. That's why if you want to be a dealer technician I suggest go to the smaller one/family owned/operated ones. Not the autogroups/corporate conglomerates.
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This is a little old, but still relevant:[indent]The fact that Amazon often places its warehouses in semi-rural/suburban areas where there are few other jobs hurts the company, too. It makes people feel like the exploitation is the whole point, not an accidental side effect of trying to save money. [i] And then there are the margins. Amazon's operating income in 2012 was just 1% of revenues. Walmart's was 6%. Amazon has thinner margins than Walmart. That suggests Amazon is even more incentivized to exploit its workers than Walmart is — it has less room for error.
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And both Walmart and Amazon provide what?
Remedial low skill jobs, not careers, jobs. Big difference
Your fight for 15 is in vain. McDonald's showed what happens.
Remedial low skill jobs are not careers. Fight for 15, don't complain when you're replaced with automation and the 15 per hour goes to the staff that diagnoses and maintains the robots.
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Originally Posted by thelogo
Common thinking goes something like this: low wage workers are just "flipping burgers" or "pushing articles in a box", and so more money goes to person doing the logistic of it, and most of it to the person with the capital who organized it in the first place. It's a totally arbitrary system tilted to the rich. Capital grows from two sides: from the workers, and human ingenuity. Rich people ignore the former and take all the credit for the latter. The more burgers flipped and the most articles boxed the more the revenues, yet the workers wages remains the same. Isn't it logical that their wages depend on the sales and revenues? Of course, that would be less exploitation and a healthier system.
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And there is the crux of the issue. You believe a remedial low skill
job should be able a
sustainable career. Compensation for work is reflected by labor intensity, education/knowledge/experience and skill. Are you suggesting a burger flipper or shipping/receiving box packager is equal to or greater than a HVAC technician, automotive technician, electrical engineer, nurse, lawyer, doctor, surgeon?
Hint-They're not.
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Originally Posted by thelogo
But I am probably a "radical communist" for suggesting a fairer system.
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Radical commie? No, that title goes to Winterfall.
To me you sound like a naive misled teenager early 20s (like the former Bernie bro I hired) that believes remedial jobs should be sustainable careers.
Believe me, I've argued and achieved what you desire. Why? I know economics.
When a dealership tells me they cant afford to pay me more than 25 per hour flatrate, meanwhile, they're charging customer pay tickets 150 per hour for labor and receiving 98 per hour from FoMoCo for warranty claims, you can't Pizz down my back and tell me it's raining that you are operating at such a deficit that you need to profit 125 per hour off of my labor. I wasn't born last night. Cut the BS and don't insult me.
And when they tried the excuse of oh well there's no state income taxes the cost of living is lower, I'd tell them again, do not insult me or waste my time.
I got mine. All I do is know the ins and outs of the game. I don't play it. I one up it.
I have what they desire. They're not in a favorable position to negotiate terms. I am.
Hence why I own my own business and no longer work in dealerships.
Just like colleges that claim not for profit. Think a college would reimburse your tuition fees? Hell no, administration needs more reserved parking spaces to park a new Mercedes in. Fools leave their opulence on display and pizz down everyone's backs under the guise of not for profit! LOL I didn't buy my books at the schools store. Copied ISBN numbers and scooped them off amazon saving a total of 400 bucks. And they claimed not for profit too! What did that college do?
Wasted what profits they did have in piddly pet projects. "
Campus improvements" repaved parking lots. Why? There weren't any pot holes... Oh it faded? Then spread some emulsion down. Big deal.
Visual appearance upgrades. Ooo. Fancy buildings. Big deal. False facade is false facade. Me, I'd rather have reimburse the tuition or give the professors, the ones doing the real work, a raise. But that's a corporatist for you.
Same chit goes on in hospitals. Board of directors and administration makes bank compared to the Nurse that gets to deal with unruly ungrateful patients, even the doctors and surgeons as well.
Want cheaper health care? We can fix that one easy.
Stop requiring an asinine cost of educating the future medical professionals. Make it more affordable for them to become medical professionals. Then it's a matter of getting Big Pharms dick beaters off of everything, and the most I would support would be a consumer protection clause against insurance companies. Can not drop a customer, can not refuse on feeble grounds of "out of network". Can not price gouge either. Not what Romney and Obama put forth, that's socialism in health care and the vehicle to get us there, is health insurance.
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Originally Posted by thelogo
This will not only be good for the general public, but it will be better for democracy as rich people would not have so much money to be throwing around in campaign/lobbying/buying influence and all sort of sinister things they use their money for.
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Depends. More money can always be gobbled up and devalued. Let me put it in simplistic terms for you. And it's true too. Ask anyone who has relocated regardless of political ideology,
A NY dollar has more Spending power in FL than it does in NY.
How? Why?
6.25% sales tax vs 8.5% sales tax.
1,800 per year in property tax vs 5,500 property tax.
My house in NY was an 1,100 sqft lake side bungalow that started 950 per year school and property tax combined until the cityiots migrated north, got on the town board voted in their tax assessor, catered to fellow cityiots by arbitrary raising the home values and property taxes to where the locals couldn't afford to live there anymore. The cityiots could. Their developers could. And they did. Granted part time, most houses sat vacant until summer time and holiday weekends...
What I paid in refuse services alone, I pay for in property tax in Florida.
That pays for police, fire, ems, school, city water, sewer when I upgraded as the town no longer wants septic tanks, garbage/yard waste/recyclable collection, street lights. Things my former AO didn't have. And we have smooth roads too opposed to pot holes big enough to swallow a buick.
Nor am I deemed a felon by mere possession of ARs or AKs.
So when I say to you if you make 50k per year in the state of NY you are making minumum wage, I mean it. 50k per year after NY state income tax is paid, property tax is paid, vehicle registration fees are paid, never mind insurances...
And what do you get in NY? Surely it isn't smooth roads.
Surely it isn't refuse services.
You're funding welfare, you're funding good feels initiatives, your funding state government employees.
No joke. I know 2 NY state troopers and 3 sheriff's deputies. I've gone to highschool and/or college with these guys.
The deputies started at 55k per year plus great benefits and pensions, My county sheriff's office is hiring right now, they're offering 36k to start. NYSP-the 2 are patrol officers. They run radar on I90 and Taconic state parkway. 62k per year that's with partial overtime as according to them. FHP doesn't pay that. I don't think an FHP sergeant makes that much. Maybe say a zone sergeant or lieutenant... someone of rank an tenure.
2 of my freinds that never went to college, drive trucks for the county highway department. 45k per year to start. Union. Benefits. Pension.
Plus overtime when the snow flies and they're plowing snow. I don't think the county commissioner rakes in 45k. Let alone an employee in the highway dept.
The other one that didn't go to college is a business owner as well. OTR trucker and employs 12 total. Has a shop 4 full time mechanics, and 6 drivers. His wife is the dispatcher, and has her sister as the book keeper on payroll. He started out doing local runs, made appropriate sacrifices just like I did, and made it. That's the beauty of capitalism
If you're wise, plan ahead, calculate and take risks rather than become complacent, you can be more than a peon ditch digger or burger flipper.
So the question is. Which would you rather.
Low cost of living. And decent wages.
High cost of living. And assistance to subsidize your cost of living.
That's the difference between NY and FL.
One has easy and bountiful public assistance programs for those that can't or won't, one has nearly impossible to get public assistance programs. If you're a skilled professional you can make bank. I did. And still kind of do. What? I have some magic money tree? Or am I just a troll full of hot air living under an overpass?
Hell I gave this exact lesson to the Bernie Bro. Even the house keeper I hired.
Here was a woman driving a roached out maxima falling apart, literally. Desperate for work. Hard working woman.
What would I benefit from having her riding around in a jalopee falling apart? My time is worth more than doing remedial chores around the house. So much so I willingly paid her 20 per hour to come in 3 times a week. Mondays Wednesdays Fridays.
She's a hustler. I have security cams all throughout the house. She's paid for 8 hours each Monday Wednesday and Friday. She bangs out 8 hours worth of work in 5-6. Good on her.
I told her. Hire someone to help you. She looked at me like I was nuts. I'm not the only client she has either. Told her, pay someone 10 per hour. You'll get my place done quicker. Then. You can make more up in volume.
Some people she charges depending on what she has to do. Laundry dishes and general cleaning 20 per hour. Others 15 and others 12.
Told her, hire someone pay them 10 per hour. Show them at the big client houses how to do everything. After a week or two. Give them supplies and a route.
I gave her advice and even paid ahead of time and told her to go get a newer van at the least.
Now? She's got 4 highschool aged girls that go and do the grunt work for 10 an hour and she's making money off of it. Is that bad? Evil? She was only doing this as a side job. Her husband is disabled from a motorcycle wreck. She's made her own business listening to me. Her son, I hooked him up with a few others that have pools. He's got a pool route now. He went from riding with her in that jalopee maxima to now he has a former state truck little ford Ranger with chemicals and cleaning tools and he services pools. Made a business out of that. At 17 years old. He's pulling in 1500 per week before expenses. Not bad but he's growing.
What all of your problem is, the inability to see an opportunity and to seize it. In NY. Winter time I made money hand over fist. Wake up at 4 am when it was snowing and go get that money plowing snow, calling in to work I'd be running late due to the bad roads. Which was understood. In reality I was getting 20-50 bucks cash per driveway.
If you see Amazon and Walmart as your only economic opportunity... that's your problem you can't spot an opportunity to take advantage of.
Hell Craigslist and the wantads used to be littered with vehicles cheap at that, that needed work. Everyone ran from "doesn't start" "transmission slips" "engine knocks"
Do you know how many vehicles I used to buy that wouldn't start turned out to be a fuse? A fusible link? A bad alternator not charging a battery? To a simple bad starter?
After they had just dumped hundreds if not thousands in repairs?
Same for transmission issues etc.
Pay 500 bucks. Toss at most 500 into them. Get 1-3k in profit.
Opportunity is out there. It isn't in amazon's loading stations and warehouses or at Walmart stocking shelves and cashing people out...
Dirtbikes, snowmobiles quads. I'd scoop them up cheap in the off seasons, come November-December EVERYONE was looking to buy their kids a sled a quad or dirt bike for christmas! They weren't paying 3 4 5k dollars at the toystore! Hell no!
I'd sit on 10 or 15 I scooped up cheap, put a couple hundred in for repairs, and viola. Get 1k-2500 for something I had 650-850 into.
Opportunity is not always found in a college campus either...
Use your eyes. You'll be amazed at what you'll find out there.
Use your hands. Learn a skill. Can't go wrong with anything mechanical. Chit breaks all the time.
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Originally Posted by Winterfall8324
1. No you don’t, state backed ownership is not based in natural law, it is the same claim the pharaohs had on their people. Just because there is risk involved doesn’t change the reality of your relationship with that capital.
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I don't need the state to back me.
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2. Wasted labor is not needed. For example insurance companies or law firms. The legal framework wouldn’t be about private ownership of goods, meaning all other property would be valued by function and available not as a charge but in excess
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Neither are commies needed. Yet here you are.
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3. Do you provide for yourself?
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Uh. Yeah. Obviously. I started out all by my lonesome and through hard work quit my day job and opened my own business so... obviously yes I do provide for myself.
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Having state authority grant you control capital you don’t operate under is not the same thing as being a self sufficient individual.
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LOL and what did Stalin, Lenin, Castro, Che, Mao, do? They established the state. They granted themselves control over capital by force. It's recorded history...
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More so it creates a feedback loop where people with the most capital gain it from doing nothing productive while the rest must struggle.
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That would be the issues with a corporatist. None of my employees are struggling. They're able to support themselves and their families. If they were members of this board they'd be pointing and laughing at you.
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Originally Posted by Winterfall8324
Again, investment is not the basis of production, but networking between different production centers. Investments are a legal framework that allow the operation happen, not the practice itself.
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LOL you have no clue how investing works... you have an opinion, obviously an unfavorable opinion, but you have no idea how it works commie.
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4. People can exchange their labor for a reward, but having control over the capital that allows that practice is necessary for the relationship to remain equal and based in natural law, not some artificial force backed by the state.
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*yawn* how many times must I repeat myself. I. Do not. Need. The. State.
You do. Your tripe has been tried the world around. You are the individual that needs the state to create famine to gain relevancy, wholesale murder to seize capital to redistribute and fund the operation of the state under the false premise of "fair" to deny this is simply a cop out. No matter how you dress it and how you want to flaunt it, you're still putting lipstick on a pig.
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5. You don’t, you live in a system you’ve been brainwashed to believe.
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Big difference between brainwashing, which is what you feebly attempt to do, and experience first hand experience. Brainwashed? Nah. Not at all.
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Capitalism isn’t voluntary or free,
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Yes. It is. You're free to take whatever path in life you want, you make of it what you put into it. Participate, make sacrifices, take risks and you too some day could be a business owner yourself.
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Originally Posted by Winterfall8324
it’s institutionalized and backed by the state through currency manipulation,
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LOL says the commie who's economic system involves rations of food, housing provided by the state, after the state has seized the wealth of others to be redistributed to provide the bare minimum to its citizens/residents.
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authority over property,
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Commies become quite the authority over property indeed.
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and legitimate claims of violence.
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Yes we know. Communism is responsible for an insane amount of violence. All in the name of the state.
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I propose a different system that exists in part in our own society and has worked before.
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Notice. Past tense,
worked
No longer working.
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You support authoritarian state and private rule, because freedom is antithetical to your beliefs.
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That's rich. Coming from a commie. That's rich.
Freedom is antithetical to my beliefs? Why do I endorse everyone to buy firearms then? Why have I paid for my employees to get concealed carry permits?
If freedom is so antithetical to my beliefs, why in the world would I place the 2nd Amendment in such high regard to the point I endorse literally everyone to own a firearm with expressed importance of it is just as much a right to keep and bear arms as it is a right to protest and free speech?
Freedom? The hell do you know about freedom? You condemn capitalism.
You conflate corporatism with capitalism. That is not my issue, that's yours.
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