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I think we have to keep in mind historical context.
Even today, the rules can be different for men and women.
Saying women trade their sexuality for what they want overlooks the fact that those may have been the only rules they could play by.
I agree with this, especially the bold. (historical context)
Id argue however in today's world, (In America, today) if you must offer your body in order to keep your job, then sorry to say, the sex is still consensual.
It is not consensual if you must offer your body in order to save yourself or somebody else, but if you need to give sex in order to keep the job, well, you are really not a victim here.
I have literally never heard of that happening in real life. I have seen women seek promotions that way though. My boss used to service the CEO under his desk, the secretary caught them. She didn't even have a four year degree and she was running three departments, lording over people with PhDs. Later it turned out she was a nympho and the men did not have to be in positions of power, they just had to be male.
That's certainly unfair but you don't have to be an unqualified person promoted above your competency because you're a nympho doling out sexual favors to the boss. It seems it pretty common for the worst person to be promoted for every wrong reason under the sun. That's just bad managers and management but pretty common.
So you mean to tell me that if a women has sex with a man to get a job or an opportunity (which is common in the music industry and Hollywood) she can claim to have been raped?
I doubt that would ever happen, as many child and teen stars get their start this way, it may not be ethical or moral, but it is what it is, price to fame so to speak.
I think a male having money, power and status puts him in a more equal position to women who have all the sexual power by nature. So the feminists' desire to shut down consensual sex with a co-worker was just a move to take an avenue of parity and "equality" away from males. It's the equivalent of taking make up, hair dye and high heels etc from women.
I don't even think feminist really want to shut down consensual sex with a co-worker per se. They just want to create a "victim" avenue for unscrupulous women to be compensated after engaging in consensual sex. So it's sort of a con game.
Another thing is it keeps the high status men away from lower status women, and ball busting feminists want that. Much like some incels feel entitled to hot women, many high income women feel entitled to what they consider a status peer - a man who makes at least as much money as them with the same or higher education. Men dating the pretty assistant must be stopped, so let's make it against policy.
How she felt about it after the fact is moot with regards to Lauer getting terminated for diddling the employees.
It speaks to whether or not he is a "predator", yes? And he didn't diddle anyone. He had a consensual sexual encounter with a woman who later felt it was an abuse of power.
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She wouldn't be the first person that got caught in a nationally publicized affair that spun it to make themselves look less bad, I honestly don't care either way and haven't followed the case that closely.
Plenty of people do it, sure. It's not acceptable. I care about the impact this predatory narrative has on men and the climate of fear it creates for women and victims.
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In this charged environment of #metoo and the SCOTUS nomination, a lot of people are going to imprint want they want to see onto every scenario that occurs like this. Doesn't change reality though.
It doesn't change reality but reality is not what the public deal in. And the potential for damage is pretty significant.
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Not "Inherently Consensual" is very grey and attempts to turn every Lauer etc. affair situation into some sort of Harvey Weinstein moment.
So you mean to tell me that if a women has sex with a man to get a job or an opportunity (which is common in the music industry and Hollywood) she can claim to have been raped?
I was actually quoting someone else. That's not how I feel. Consensual sex is consensual sex.
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If a woman finds herself in this situation, she should refuse the sex and report the employer for harassment. But if she goes through with the sex to get the job (such as a Hollywood role), she is an opportunist and cannot claim to have been raped.
There are laws against rape by deception or fraud. Also, a woman is suing Weinstein under a claim of sex trafficking for having forced her to "masturbate him while saying 'no', going back to see him three times after the act to follow up on his promise to help her that never came to be. Sex trafficking. And the judge allowed it to proceed. Crazy pants.
Another thing is it keeps the high status men away from lower status women, and ball busting feminists want that. Much like some incels feel entitled to hot women, many high income women feel entitled to what they consider a status peer - a man who makes at least as much money as them with the same or higher education. Men dating the pretty assistant must be stopped, so let's make it against policy.
Well I think you are right that it is also about female competition for the most desirable men. I don't know of any woman that doesn't think she's entitled to a man of equal or better financial status to herself.
Also a lot of even low status and low attractiveness women will only accept high attractive, high status males and their equivalent matching lower status and attractiveness males are left with nothing.
Well I think you are right that it is also about female competition for the most desirable men. I don't know of any woman that doesn't think she's entitled to a man of equal or better financial status to herself.
Also a lot of even low status and low attractiveness women will only accept high attractive, high status males and their equivalent matching lower status and attractiveness males are left with nothing.
That may be but you don't go around trying to stop other people from dating who they want to date. In fact it would be better if higher income people married poorer people, there would be less poverty.
That may be but you don't go around trying to stop other people from dating who they want to date. In fact it would be better if higher income people married poorer people, there would be less poverty.
Feminists do it all the time. They try to tell men that's it's wrong to date younger women.
It would be nice for men if high income women were willing to marry lower income men but they're not.
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