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Not that Trump gives a damn about the constitution, mind you.
Another example of the total STUPIDITY and IGNORANCE OF OUR CONSTITUTION OF THE NO-IQ-MORON-IN-CHIEF-NUT-JOB-Trump! Does this mean he will deport his in-laws who are here thanks to "CHAIN MIGRATION"?
Another example of the total STUPIDITY and IGNORANCE OF OUR CONSTITUTION OF THE NO-IQ-MORON-IN-CHIEF-NUT-JOB-Trump! Does this mean he will deport his in-laws who are here thanks to "CHAIN MIGRATION"?
No, because Trump doesn't really believe in his anti-immigration stance. Its rhetoric he uses to fire up his base. He uses immigrants at his hotels, his residences, Mar-a-Lago. He used immigrant labor to manufacture Trump-brand clothing and to build his real estate properties. He only cares about his own bottom line. But if he can rail against immigrants and illegal immigrants as an evil bogey-man for political gain without having to change his own habits, it appears that he is happy to do so.
And his supporters lap it up. Shooting someone on 5th Avenue indeed.
I detect some confusion so let me be clear. A u.s. 'citizen' who is an expat, if released from their birthright citizenship, they would then also be release of any debt obligations to the u.s.
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Originally Posted by oceangaia
No, not "any" obligations. Income earned in the US is taxable by the US even if you have never been a citizen. Debt obligations incurred by contract are valid even if you have never been a citizen.
But the whole point is moot because no one is talking about "releasing" anyone from citizenship but rather not granting the citizenship in the first place to children of illegals. At that point, they have no debt obligations. At that point, they have not reaped a windfall of benefits except childbirth in a modern medical facility.
The rest of your silly garbage isn't worth addressing.
An expat is a tax payer living abroad, you knew that right? At this point I can't tell.
Ending birthright citizenship and altering the 14th amendment would undo what was done. The u.s. could not claim jurisdiction of a person, just because they drew their first breath on American soil. In the case of those brought here not of their own volition (200 years ago) an argument could be made, their offspring owe no debt.
But then people don't want to think about consequences if they tear at the fabric that has made America what it is ... or in the case of the past several years, that made America what it was.
People get in a tiff and stomp their feet ... This, whatever 'this' is, we want it done no matter the cost and the leader of those people is in the WH, wishing this country could be more like China and its leadership.
Some one will push the fool button one day and it will be interesting to see how it all turns out when they do. Unfortunately, none of us can live forever.
An expat is a tax payer living abroad, you knew that right? At this point I can't tell.
Ending birthright citizenship and altering the 14th amendment would undo what was done. The u.s. could not claim jurisdiction of a person, just because they drew their first breath on American soil. In the case of those brought here not of their own volition (200 years ago) an argument could be made, their offspring owe no debt.
But then people don't want to think about consequences if they tear at the fabric that has made America what it is ... or in the case of the past several years, that made America what it was.
People get in a tiff and stomp their feet ... This, whatever 'this' is, we want it done no matter the cost and the leader of those people is in the WH, wishing this country could be more like China and its leadership.
Some one will push the fool button one day and it will be interesting to see how it all turns out when they do. Unfortunately, none of us can live forever.
An ex-pat is a citizen living abroad. They must file a tax return. Whether or not they actually pay taxes depends on their financial situation. You knew that right?
Laws are almost never retroactive. A change in birthright citizenship would "undo" nothing. They were granted citizenship. We can grant citizenship to anyone we want. We can grant amnesty to anyone we want.
The "anchor" citizen could decline that citizenship but they can already do that now. Any citizen can revoke their citizenship and move abroad. It would change nothing for those already citizens. (With regards to ex-pats, I'll bet the amount of social security payments going out of the country far exceed the amount of tax payments coming into the country).
And you're really making the silly argument that we shouldn't do something that is costing us Billions because there might be an side-effect that costs us Millions.
No, because Trump doesn't really believe in his anti-immigration stance. Its rhetoric he uses to fire up his base. He uses immigrants at his hotels, his residences, Mar-a-Lago. He used immigrant labor to manufacture Trump-brand clothing and to build his real estate properties. He only cares about his own bottom line. But if he can rail against immigrants and illegal immigrants as an evil bogey-man for political gain without having to change his own habits, it appears that he is happy to do so.
And his supporters lap it up. Shooting someone on 5th Avenue indeed.
Let's lay it right on the line. Bigotry and racism are among the deadliest social ills plaguing the world today. But, unlike a team of costumed super-villains, they can’t be halted with a punch in the snoot, or a zap from a ray gun. The only way to destroy them is to expose them—to reveal them for the insidious evils they really are. The bigot is an unreasoning hater—one who hates blindly, fanatically, indiscriminately. If his hang-up is black men, he hates ALL black men. If a redhead once offended him, he hates ALL redheads. If some foreigner beat him to a job, he’s down on ALL foreigners. He hates people he’s never seen—people he’s never known—with equal intensity—with equal venom.
Now, we’re not trying to say it’s unreasonable for one human being to bug another. But, although anyone has the right to dislike another individual, it’s totally irrational, patently insane to condemn an entire race—to despise an entire nation—to vilify an entire religion. Sooner or later, we must learn to judge each other on our own merits. Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill out hearts with tolerance. For then, and only then, will we be truly worthy of the concept that man was created in the image of God–a God who calls us ALL—His children.
I might be wrong but the constitution says that "no state" can remove this right, it doesn't say anything about "no EO" can change it, right?
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