Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Generally if Trump decided to go through with it, we can expect officials to withhold birth certificates to newborns until they are proven to have American parents. After the courts manage to get things together for this case, they would either overrule it, allow a lesser version in some states, or otherwise pass it onto a vote with the states, which would require 2/3 of the US to agree to it for it to go nationwide.
In the unlikely event that it is passed it would likely have passed with large changes to it one that would not be ending birthright citizenship, but rather just more legal hurdles. But it is most likely to simply be overruled and make Trump look bad.
Yea you can keep & bear arms. That's the literal interpretation. You can keep and carry arms - like grenades. Guns also I guess.
However, it doesn't say anything about firing them. That's an assumption and interpretation.
yes keep (own) and Carry (self explanatory)
can I fire them..certainly on my own property (unless IN A CITY, where the city has an ordinance about FIRING them, still is usually about PUBLIC spaces, and based on safety)
now does the 2nd Amendment give me the right to shoot and kill someone...NOPE
same with the 14th amendment..
it gives the AUTOMATIC right of citizenship to those born on these soils IF the parents (essentially the pregnant one) came here by LEGAL means... if they are ILLEGAL, anything they do is essentially a crime
Generally if Trump decided to go through with it, we can expect officials to withhold birth certificates to newborns until they are proven to have American parents. After the courts manage to get things together for this case, they would either overrule it, allow a lesser version in some states, or otherwise pass it onto a vote with the states, which would require 2/3 of the US to agree to it for it to go nationwide.
In the unlikely event that it is passed it would likely have passed with large changes to it one that would not be ending birthright citizenship, but rather just more legal hurdles. But it is most likely to simply be overruled and make Trump look bad.
Not a chance. The District Courts would issue a TRO before the ink dried on the Executive Order. There is no doubt about that.
it gives the AUTOMATIC right of citizenship to those born on these soils IF the parents (essentially the pregnant one) came here by LEGAL means... if they are ILLEGAL, anything they do is essentially a crime
And where in the 14th Amendment does it mention arrival in the US via legal v. illegal means, Mr. Strict Constitutionalist?
Because we have jurisdiction over our sovereign territory.
Do we have legal jurisdiction over diplomats? Can Mueller have Putin indicted and arrested on his next visit? No, we don't have legal jurisdiction over diplomats.
Can we expel diplomats? Yes, we can expel diplomats.
The lack of jurisdiction means our only recourse is to expel them.
Not talking about expelling diplomats.
Talking about deportation.
Two different legal processes.
But you know that and are just trying to muddy the waters.
Yet that has been the established practice for hundreds of years deriving from the government's clear understanding of the Constitution's grant of birthright citizenship. The court is unlikely to change that imo.
Incorrect. I just posted US Nationality Law enacted just a few years after the 14th was ratified. And US-born children of members of US aboriginal Tribes weren't granted birthright US citizenship until 1924.
the only developed countries to still have it are the USA and Canada
and Canada is in the process of repealing it
Quote:
Originally Posted by workingclasshero
actually TL gave a fact
the USA and Canada are the only two DEVELOPED (first world) countries that have it
Trump said "We're the only country in the world where a person comes in, has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States for 85 years with all of those benefits."
There was no qualifier that he was referring to developed/first world countries. Your point is irrelevant and doesn't change the fact that Trump lied about an easily ascertained fact.
And where in the 14th Amendment does it mention arrival in the US via legal v. illegal means, Mr. Strict Constitutionalist?
You have to look at SCOTUS ruling for that. Wong Kim Ark. Parents must have a permanent domicile in the US. Illegal aliens do not have such as they aren't even supposed to be here, at all. Their permanent domicile is in the country of their nationality, the country which would issue their passport, if they were to have one.
I wish we could just build a wall around the US and call it good. Lol No entry, go somewhere else. Not accepting any future applications for residency. If you are here, you are allowed, if not, go elsewhere. No more birth rights, no more green cards or visas. Dont need anyone else, we are full go away
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.