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Old 10-31-2018, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Because society says so. They don't want felons voting.
You are misinformed.

45 states allow convicted felons to vote once released from prison or prison/ parole.

2 states, allow felons to vote from prison.

Only 3 states permanently ban convicted felons from voting.
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Old 10-31-2018, 08:22 AM
 
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If you are a convicted felon and completely served your time and met all the requirements of your sentence, you have just as much right to vote as anyone else.

Trying to make it sound like people in prison are being canvased to vote democratic is a blatant lie and typical of current republican mentality.
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Old 10-31-2018, 08:30 AM
 
Location: North America
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Personally i find this repugnant.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...stored/570103/

Why is it always Florida making trouble for America? Maybe we need to cut it and CA loose.
Do you know how Amendment 4 even got to the ballot? It was put there by the constitutional revision commission, fifteen appointees from the Governor (R), nine appointees from the Florida Senate President (R), nine appointees from the Speaker of the Florida House of Representatives (R) and three appointees from the Chief Justice of the Florida Supreme Court.


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Why not educate yourself on procedure before you blame liberals for everything.
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Old 10-31-2018, 08:32 AM
 
Location: North America
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...Only 3 states permanently ban convicted felons from voting.
Maybe Florida will finally drag itself into the modern world and take itself of that list.
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Old 10-31-2018, 08:40 AM
 
Location: City Data Land
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Personally i find this repugnant.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...stored/570103/

Why is it always Florida making trouble for America? Maybe we need to cut it and CA loose.
"7% of Florida are convicted felons and the left wants them all to vote"

Cesar Sayoc Jr., the pipe bomber who sent all those bombs to Democrat lawmakers, was a felon from Florida and registered Republican who voted for Trump, even though it is illegal for felons to vote in Florida. How did that happen? I thought Democrats were the only ones who voted illegally. Care to start the thread over, OP?
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Old 10-31-2018, 09:15 AM
 
Location: North America
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"7% of Florida are convicted felons and the left wants them all to vote"

Cesar Sayoc Jr., the pipe bomber who sent all those bombs to Democrat lawmakers, was a felon from Florida and registered Republican who voted for Trump, even though it is illegal for felons to vote in Florida. How did that happen? I thought Democrats were the only ones who voted illegally. Care to start the thread over, OP?
Sayoc wasn't a convicted felon. Adjudication was withheld and he got probation.
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Old 10-31-2018, 09:23 AM
 
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The honest truth is, logical arguments aside. Most felons will vote Democrat and so each party is motivated to propagate arguments along those lines.
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Old 10-31-2018, 12:17 PM
 
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Well its debatable that they have "paid their debt to society"....finishing a sentence doesn't mean they are better people or even that those harmed have been made whole. It just means they have served out their sentence of incarceration as imposed by the court.

But society as a whole has deemed that felons should not have the franchise of voting, for whatever reason. Perhaps that someone who has exercised such poor judgment isn't qualified to participate in managing society.

Or that their experiences of incarceration, if allowed to inform their decision making process, would unfairly present a bias against law and order, (for example, such persons would be more likely to vote for people who also have little or no regard for the rule of law, and thus undermine the purposes of governance itself).....and in a society based on the rule of law, giving people who have blatantly disregarded that rule, is self-destructive or ultimately self-defeating.

Does it really matter what the reasons are? Since "society" says so, that's enough of a reason by itself, given that this is an acceptable criteria in the system that society has established.

Nobody questions WHY other decisions made by "society" are the way they are....so why would you question this one?

What purpose is served by disenfranchising felons? There is no legitimate purpose served.



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You are misinformed.

45 states allow convicted felons to vote once released from prison or prison/ parole.

2 states, allow felons to vote from prison.

Only 3 states permanently ban convicted felons from voting.

2 states have it right.
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Old 10-31-2018, 12:55 PM
 
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Personally i find this repugnant.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...stored/570103/

Why is it always Florida making trouble for America? Maybe we need to cut it and CA loose.
Too bad. Once said felons are out of prison, they should be able to vote. Anyone who has a problem with this, well, whatever. And I said this as someone who lives in Georgia.
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Old 10-31-2018, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Personally i find this repugnant.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...stored/570103/

Why is it always Florida making trouble for America? Maybe we need to cut it and CA loose.
From your linked article:

"With Iowa and Kentucky, Florida is one of just three states in the nation to automatically and permanently keep anyone who has committed a felony from ever voting again."

Exactly what is the trouble that FL is making?

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