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I wonder if an unspoken factor was that during the Cold War, the GOP saw refugees from communist countries as a valueble voting block and hence wanted to maintain their favor. The GOP may have also felt, "If we don't globalize, the USSR will."
40 years. The country has changed a lot. Illegal immigration has become a huge problem in those years. I would expect attitudes to change as well. What is your point?
Exactly! This is along the lines of saying my grand grand parents came here without papers 200 years ago. Well, 200 years ago things were different. Even in this video Bush was stumbling an dmumbling all over to articulate why the kids should get free education. As for Reagan, what he suggested is still on thee booke but nobody is using it. The folks in the caravan cannot be bothered with H2A visas and alike. They want in NOW. If there is any change in the Republican party is not Reagan to Trump. It is Bush to Trump. But you knew that.
Reagan and Bush were wrong about immigration in 1980. I think their mistaken approach stemmed from roughly equal parts pro-big business mindset, anti-Communist fervor and well meaning naivete. They didn't know at the time how bad illegal immigration would get post-amnesty.
I think you might have missed the point by that other poster.
Regardless, I suspect you do not hate America either, but many on the left are malcontents, and no matter how much better is than other countries, or even better than we use to be, you all are still making mole hills into mountains.
Fro example, race relations were much better in the past (despite it being tougher on minorities back then) than they are now.
Never in my lifetime have black people been more grievance oriented than they are since the supposed "post racial president" took office.
Sadly Obama is a proved divider, not a uniting force for race relations.
I would instead put it this way...
Right-wingers are forever wanting to down play or look the other way when it comes to what is still very much in need of improvement, for some obvious reasons. Essentially because they are the ones "on top."
Take for example just one telling statistic about just one part of the problem.
"Blacks and Hispanics are overrepresented in U.S. prisons"
Unless you ARE a racist who believes these numbers are somehow determined by way of genetic differences, the incarceration rates for non-whites is indicative of just how much a race problem we still have and just how far we still have to go. Just for starters!
You mean doing exactly what liberals have been doing for years. You liberals have been calling anyone who disagrees a racist/fascist/homophobe/misogynist/Islamophobe/<insert>ist/<insert>phobe for MANY years. Liberal hypocrites have proven beyond any doubt that they don't actually want unity, tolerance and inclusivity in the US. They want their way, period, with no dissent what so ever.
Might be that a lot of people who disagree are one or more of those things without even knowing it. I know more than a few people who won't admit they lean toward being a racist or homophobe, but listen to what comes out of their mouth when it comes to these differences, and at a minimum, one surely has to wonder. Who are the real hypocrites?
That said, I don't think it is all correct to paint any group or any side with the same broad brush. No doubt there are radical liberals and alt-right wingers that are nitwits. Plenty of misguided people who don't represent their side in any positive way, but I'd like to think most people on both sides are not nitwits! Of course I have to ignore lots of comments in these threads to keep that faith, but that's a challenge of another sort.
America is an economy. And that is all it has ever been. And since America is an economy, then whatever is good for the economy, is good for America.
I generally agree with most of your comments, in spirit anyway, but I'm not sure I can agree with this one, or maybe I'm not understanding...
Some say "the business of America is business," and of course there is a lot of truth to that simple statement. Much about our economy is about business as well, of course, but every country including America is about much more than just the economy. A bit much to explain, but just consider the fact that each country has an economy and how different each country is from the others in so many ways.
How are America and all countries of the world different besides just our economies? Let me count the ways...
You can’t use facts with Trumpers. They have their own alternative facts, but I give you credit for the attempt.
Thanks. Can't say I am optimistic any such attempts prove productive, but I do know some Trump supporters who have at least some respect for facts even though all too often they don't really know what they are or bother to substantiate their opinions with the likes. It's a lot easier to simply dismiss what doesn't fit the political agenda with claims of "fake news" than to deal with what is NOT fake news at all, real news -- reality -- the truth.
And/or to understand what the facts are really telling us!
Classical Liberalism promoted personal freedom, free markets and individual rights.
We see all sorts of terms "perverted" all the time, because we are free to think what we want to think...
"Fiscal conservative."
"Nationalist."
"Make America great again."
"Enemies of the people."
"Socialism."
"Capitalism."
The list of all these terms very often misused and confused is long and varied, especially in this forum, but to keep it simple, here's a basic modern-day definition of Liberal:
lib·er·al
adjective
1.
open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.
"they have more liberal views toward marriage and divorce than some people"
2.
(of education) concerned mainly with broadening a person's general knowledge and experience, rather than with technical or professional training.
I am a liberal far more than I am conservative, and I believe in personal freedom, free markets and individual rights. Thing is though, just about any ideology requires "checks and balances" to function optimally, and it's those checks and balances that we tend to disagree about...
Exactly! This is along the lines of saying my grand grand parents came here without papers 200 years ago. Well, 200 years ago things were different. Even in this video Bush was stumbling an dmumbling all over to articulate why the kids should get free education. As for Reagan, what he suggested is still on thee booke but nobody is using it. The folks in the caravan cannot be bothered with H2A visas and alike. They want in NOW. If there is any change in the Republican party is not Reagan to Trump. It is Bush to Trump. But you knew that.
The Republican party is something entirely new today under Trump.
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