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Old 11-04-2018, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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I live in one of the most liberal states in the country and I don't know anybody who likes Islam or thinks it's a great religion. Accepting that Islam, like all religions is protected by the first amendment does not equal "supporting" the religion. I despise the horrible extremist views toward gay people and that women have few rights, but I will always defend their constitutional right to hold stupid beliefs that I abhor. The Bible and the Koran are filled with terrible ideas, but I respect everyone's right to practice religion as they see fit, as long as they stay within our civil law.

I used to live in a part of the country with many Muslims and they came to my business. Most did not practice the extreme version of the religion and were more like most Christians who don't follow every word of the bible. Some women covered their hair, many didn't and one of the best hairstylists I ever had owned a salon in a heavily Middle Eastern, some Chaldeon but largely Muslim neighborhood. There were a couple of gay muslims who worked there. They didn't necessarily advertise it to everyone they knew but stated that their most people in their families accepted them and certainly weren't trying to kill them. The Muslims that I met who were born in the US tended to be less relgious than their parents and had more modern western beliefs.

What do people who hate Muslims suggest we do? Do we deny them their constitutional right to freedom of religion? Kick legal immigrants out of the US for being Muslim? What about extreme Christians who hold negative beliefs about gays and women, are they okay because they are Christian? I hate all religions that follow strict dogma and tell people how to act and make judgements based on gender or sexual orientation but everyone has the right to believe what they want in this country.
There is a radical element associated with all major religions. Most African countries that were under British rule and thus Christian majority, tend to impose severe consequences for homosexual behaviors.
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Old 11-04-2018, 07:16 PM
 
Location: New Jersey (Europe Sep ‘19)
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There is a radical element associated with all major religions. Most African countries that were under British rule and thus Christian majority, tend to impose severe consequences for homosexual behaviors.
That’s part of the African culture and has nothing to do with Christianity.
Christianity unlike Judaism & Islam does not forbid and criminalize homosexuality.

If Trump bans abortion or homosexuality doesn’t mean he does it in the name of Christ.
Talk about Western countries, not 3rd world poor African countries.
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Old 11-04-2018, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Really?!

Those so-called Christian Talibans, do they stone adulterous? Do they lash homosexuals and throw them from rooftop buildings? Do they force women to cover themselves up? Do they demand you to be killed and hanged for apostasy and blasphemy? Do they ban alcohol? Do they force you to become Christian?

Think twice before spewing hatred and being arrogant
Depends on where and when.

No shortage of super majority Christian countries take a very dim view of homosexual behaviors, including death by stoning.

The burqa/ niqab predates Islam in some tribes in parts of the world. I am unaware of any country that mandates all women be covered, head to toe.

No shortage of European countries forced the conversion of people to Christianity or death.

A handful of countries ban all alcohol sales/ consumption as did the US during prohibition. Some countries ban consumption by Muslims while supplying non- Muslims with their beverage of choice.

War lords/ politicians, the world over, have used religion to control the masses and commit endless atrocities in the name of their God.
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Old 11-04-2018, 07:35 PM
 
Location: New Jersey (Europe Sep ‘19)
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Depends on where and when.

No shortage of super majority Christian countries take a very dim view of homosexual behaviors, including death by stoning.

The burqa/ niqab predates Islam in some tribes in parts of the world. I am unaware of any country that mandates all women be covered, head to toe.

No shortage of European countries forced the conversion of people to Christianity or death.

A handful of countries ban all alcohol sales/ consumption as did the US during prohibition. Some countries ban consumption by Muslims while supplying non- Muslims with their beverage of choice.

War lords/ politicians, the world over, have used religion to control the masses and commit endless atrocities in the name of their God.
Again talking about something that are hundreds or thousand year old history..
None of it had anything to do with Christianity. Jesus drank wine btw and it’s alcohol.
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Old 11-04-2018, 07:41 PM
 
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Again talking about something that are hundreds or thousand year old history..
None of it had anything to do with Christianity. Jesus drank wine btw and it’s alcohol.
Fermentation involves 'crobes.
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Old 11-04-2018, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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If you voted for Trump who is friendly with the HQ of the religion which is Saudi Arabia, you support Islam.
We send billions in weapons to the Saudi Terrorists who then bomb women and children with them.
15/19 of the 9/11 hijackers legally entered the US on Saudi passports.

Saudi said they were not involved. The US said Ok. Let’s go find those Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Same deal in Turkey with the journalist.
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Old 11-04-2018, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Liberal here. I have no idea why my side defends the so-called religion of peace
Because not all Muslims are violent extremists... For a liberal you sure sound pretty reactionary.
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Old 11-04-2018, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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Liberals support Islam because they support anything that will destroy America as we know it, so that they can pick up the pieces and put them back together as they like.

Islamic terrorism, illegal immigration, MS-13, ANTIFA, socialism, communism, and on and on. Its all good as long as it leads to American being blown up.
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Old 11-05-2018, 09:23 AM
 
Location: USA
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15/19 of the 9/11 hijackers legally entered the US on Saudi passports.

Saudi said they were not involved. The US said Ok. Let’s go find those Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Same deal in Turkey with the journalist.
Your defense of Islam and the comparison with Christianity or any other religion is weak. 95% of all Terrorists groups, currently, in the world are Islamic. Were any of the Terrorists Screaming "Jesus Saves" or "Buddha Rules" insdead of "Allah Akbar: as they slammed their planes into building with thousands inside?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rrorist_groups

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As far as the Evil Christians in the African Country of Uganda, did they fly 2 planes into our buildings? Commit Terrorist attacks on us at the Pulse night club in Orlando, Kill and maim people at the Boston Marathon, Fort Hood, San Bernadino, or the other attacks?

Almost every major country in the world that has a sizable Muslim population from Russia, to Australia, to China has had to deal with violent Islam, not Christianity, not Buddhism. Only one religion in the world has a full 1/3 of it's followers employing Female Genital mutilation, just one, and it has been imported to the west.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preval...ion_by_country

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Old 11-05-2018, 09:25 AM
 
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Your defense of Islam and the comparison with Christianity or any other religion is weak. 95% of all Terrorists groups, currently, in the world are Islamic. Were any of the Terrorists Screaming "Jesus Saves" or "Buddha Rules" insdead of "Allah Akbar: as they slammed their planes into building with thousands inside?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rrorist_groups

https://storymaps.esri.com/stories/t...cks/?year=2017

As far as the Evil Christians in the African Country of Uganda, did they fly 2 planes into our buildings? Commit Terrorist attacks on us at the Pulse night club in Orlando, Kill and maim people at the Boston Marathon, Fort Hood, San Bernadino, or the other attacks?

Almost every major country in the world that has a sizable Muslim population from Russia, to Australia, to China has had to deal with violent Islam, not Christianity, not Buddhism. Only one religion in the world has a full 1/3 of it's followers employing Female Genital mutilation, just one, and it has been imported to the west.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preval...ion_by_country
Don't even bother. The mere mention of Islam in any bad light invokes their pre programmed NPC responses.
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