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Between 1892 and 1924, 22 million immigrants entered the port of Ellis island, do you think they were all saints? Do you think that we did not gain experience in how to deal with the problems inherent in such masses of people? Do you think that we have since become such incompetence dolts that we cannot handle a relative handful of refugees ? Trump thinks so, and is taking the road that is most likely to create problems instead of success. Vet them, disallow the undesirables and allow the desirables and process them legally. America was once known for its creativity and ability to make the most massive and most difficult projects look easy. We have 20,000 Border Patrol troops on that border, that can easily handle any security issues that arise. And Americans can easily handle the issues of vetting and processing the refugees. Lets just to it with the proficiency we are known for. This not a catastrophe, its an opportunity, so lets ignore Trumps violent nonsense, and just do the work.
Where did they come from? Europe like the founding population originally. And what happened after 1924? Quotas and restriction were put in place. So if too many of even more culturally similar Europeans and Westerners were a problem within two decades, why wouldn't even more mass global immigrants and illegals per year for 50 years not be a bigger problem?
It seems the clear solution is to go back to the 1924 immigration law and make it even more restrictive.
Between 1892 and 1924, 22 million immigrants entered the port of Ellis island, do you think they were all saints? Do you think that we did not gain experience in how to deal with the problems inherent in such masses of people? Do you think that we have since become such incompetence dolts that we cannot handle a relative handful of refugees ? Trump thinks so, and is taking the road that is most likely to create problems instead of success. Vet them, disallow the undesirables and allow the desirables and process them legally. America was once known for its creativity and ability to make the most massive and most difficult projects look easy. We have 20,000 Border Patrol troops on that border, that can easily handle any security issues that arise. And Americans can easily handle the issues of vetting and processing the refugees. Lets just to it with the proficiency we are known for. This not a catastrophe, its an opportunity, so lets ignore Trumps violent nonsense, and just do the work.
Were there any social safety nets between 1892 and 1924? What about terrorism?
and no, you CANNOT vet thousands of people at the border despite whoever told you so. You have to let the thousands of people from the caravan into US and give them a Notice to Appear to see an IJ judge years down the road. There are currently 800,000 backlog of immigration adjudication waiting to see an IJ judge. Port of Entry in the southern borders are not refugee camps.
We had a refugee crisis in 1975 after Vietnam War. Ten of thousands of SE Asian refugees escaped Vietnam by boats. United Nation placed them in refugee camps in Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand for vetting and medical check up before they received sponsorship from US, Canada, Europe, etc.
Between 1892 and 1924, 22 million immigrants entered the port of Ellis island, do you think they were all saints? Do you think that we did not gain experience in how to deal with the problems inherent in such masses of people? Do you think that we have since become such incompetence dolts that we cannot handle a relative handful of refugees ? Trump thinks so, and is taking the road that is most likely to create problems instead of success. Vet them, disallow the undesirables and allow the desirables and process them legally. America was once known for its creativity and ability to make the most massive and most difficult projects look easy. We have 20,000 Border Patrol troops on that border, that can easily handle any security issues that arise. And Americans can easily handle the issues of vetting and processing the refugees. Lets just to it with the proficiency we are known for. This not a catastrophe, its an opportunity, so lets ignore Trumps violent nonsense, and just do the work.
We already do allow about 1,000,000 legal immigrants per year.
Building the wall now isn’t going to appreciably change what future generations of Americans will look like. The demographic cake is pretty well baked for the next 30 years. Any change in policy now amounts to arguing about the icing.
Yeah--Trump knows that. Nobody has started building any wall, and probably will not. It's time for the Trump supporters to be told there is no Santa Claus. There is no wall.
"The president says Congress has given him nearly $5 billion to start building his “Great Wall.” The actual figure is zero.'..
"...Trump supporters who ignore his failure to deliver on the signature promise of his campaign ― let alone get Mexico to pay for it, which he also promised ― speak volumes..."
“They either think it’s mostly built, or they think the Mexican check just hasn’t cleared yet,” Wilson said. “It’s just magical thinking..”
....Trump promised hundreds of times during his campaign that he would force Mexico to pay for the wall’s construction. Yet nearly two years into his presidency, he has not even once broached the topic with that country. In fact, he acknowledged to Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto just days after taking office that he understood Mexico would not pay for the wall but asked Peña Nieto not to say that publicly to avoid embarrassing Trump with his supporters..."
The U.S. needs to dramatically cut back on immigration and only allow in people with education and skills that we need.
Yes we need to end immigration completely, or at least reduce it to about 100,000/year with national origins quotas. Since the main purposes of immigration is to demographically change America and considering the national origin of immigrants is not allowed, then just end it completely.
Yeah--Trump knows that. Nobody has started building any wall, and probably will not. It's time for the Trump supporters to be told there is no Santa Claus. There is no wall.
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If thanks mostly to democrats and globalist, we can't get the wall, can't end birthright citizenship, can't enforce against illegal immigration, can't get immigration quantitatively reduced and qualitatively reformed, then the issues can't be solved at the ballot box. Furthermore, America is no longer a real country with a real origin, heritage, people and culture. It's just a fake country and an open borders economic zone based upon a pyramid scheme. Real Americans will just have to demand independence at some point soon.
Call it what you want its all the same thing; robbing from one group and giving to another in exchange for their votes and loyalty.
And no one is entitled to the property of someone else (SS, VA benefits, Medicare, Medicaid, etc.)
And the out come is not in our best interest
You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity . . . . What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving . . . . The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else . . . .. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation . . . .You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."
In 1918 the Spanish Flu killed 700 thousand people in the USA alone! Many of them poor immigrants...
What's your point?
And today, many of the "poor immigrants" are fortunate enough to receive free healthcare for themselves and their offspring. I would say most, if not all, have better healthcare provided to them by the American taxpayer...than the taxpayer.
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Jumping the border is a bit different then Ellis Island
In the words of Bob Dylan " The times they are a changing "
They've made a choice to break OUR laws !
At the end of the day they are just illegal aliens who have no respect
for America or OUR laws...Actions speak louder then words
They do, and those who hire and profit from cheap illegal labor are apparently mutes.
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