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Old 11-08-2018, 07:35 AM
 
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That’s right, we are in for two years of liberals wasting time with senseless investigations and a future house leader who is incoherent most of the time. Getting my popcorn ready.
Didn't realize Gowdy was a liberal who wasted years on Benghazi. But, carry on.
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Old 11-08-2018, 07:45 AM
 
Location: WY
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Yesterday was a huge loss for the "Resistance." They gained fewer seats than opposition parties usually do. The Tea Party gained both the Senate and House, and gained over 60 seats in the House! A true Red Wave. The Resistance lost seats in the Senate and gained fewer seats in the House than opposition parties have historically have on average. The takeaway from yesterday is that Trump Train 2020 has more momentum than Hope Train 2012 did.
I watched the same Fox News shows you watched last night, and yes we gained in the Senate and lost the House (by a smaller margin that previous administrations). Senate - good deal. House - it's what a Democratic Republic is all about and historically citizens prefer a divided government. It is what it is.

The truth - Trumps' agenda will now stall out and his administration will spend the next two years at the beck and call of Democrats demanding paperwork for one BS investigation after another.

More truth - we'll spend the next two years looking at the ugly mugs of idiots like Pelosi, Waters, Cummings and Schiff.

Still more truth - the big races in AZ, FL, GA, TX should not have been as close as they were, John James should have won in MI and he didn't, Feinstein, Sanders and Warren won and they didn't have to work for it, and that bug-eyed crazy broad from Manhattan..............really?

The GOP has got problems. They better work on them or 2020 will not be a cake walk.
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Old 11-08-2018, 07:57 AM
 
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Yesterday was a huge loss for the "Resistance." They gained fewer seats than opposition parties usually do. The Tea Party gained both the Senate and House, and gained over 60 seats in the House! A true Red Wave. The Resistance lost seats in the Senate and gained fewer seats in the House than opposition parties have historically have on average. The takeaway from yesterday is that Trump Train 2020 has more momentum than Hope Train 2012 did.
The Democrats were over- exposed in the senate this cycle. There is a good chance for them to take it in 2020.

Gerrymandering helps the GOP in the house. Republicans (thanks to Karl Rove and his team) had made a science of it and helped Republican legislators in states all over the country with their maps. If we can get genuine reforms in the redistricting process it would be a more realistic and even field. There are good working models to follow already in some states.

We know the GOP will do nothing to reform the process, or clean up the corruption, so it remains to be seen.
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Early America
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The goal of democrats was to take over the house, which they did with women and minorities winning. So yes, it worked out extremely well. Of course men won too but the women and the minorities are the ones who will make history

LOL, so now the Democrat goal was for low-hanging fruit.

I don't think I want to know how much money they will have to spend when their goal is more ambitious than that.
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:17 AM
 
Location: In The Thin Air
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The Democrats picked up 33-34 seats in the house and lost 3 seats in the Senate. They lost crucial governorships in Florida, Ohio, and probably Georgia. This was supposed to be a "blue wave", even a "blue tidal wave" and it turned out to be a "blue ripple".

It was a definite underperformance when it was supposed a Democratic route. In 2010 and 1996, Republicans flipped 50+ seats in the house and close to 10 seats in the Senate. That's a wave, this is a ripple.
Who cares about governorship's? They are useless in the grand scheme of things when it comes to the federal government.
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:33 AM
 
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The Democrats definitely underperformed, even according to all the models. We will see if a Democratic presidential candidate is enough to energize their base but all this nonsense about SJWism, women, MeTooism, didn't really work that well.
Actually- Tuesday was a huge boost to Democrats hopes for 2020. True progressives came within 1 point of wins in GA and Florida and Dems did very well in the Midwest. Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania which delivered R presidential and senate victories in 2016 all elected D governors and D Senators. The D Senator in Wisonsin actually dipped into Walkers voter base to achieve her margin of victory. Add to that that Minnesota went more D on those statewide races when it had been a true squeaker in '16. Dems picked up Congressional seats in Iowa and came close in the Governors race after being blown out of the water in both '14 and '16. They also picked up the Governorship and an additional House seat in Maine- that's important because Trump peeled off an electoral vote by winning a congressional district there in 2016.


The two big Florida races and the Ohio Governorship (they still lost the Senate seat) were the big R win on the night. The remaining wins were pretty much Rs picking up Senate seats in states that were +20 Republican to start with. That is huge boon for Trump in terms of appointees but it does not foretell the general mood of the country. The Ds absolutely slayed in suburban districts to the point they won seats in Oklahoma and SC. Trumps son and Pence's wife came to my district to campaign and Trump had both robocalls and internet adds for our R candidate- and she still lost a South Carolina district that was specifically gerrymandered to produce R wins.
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:37 AM
 
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Who cares about governorship's? They are useless in the grand scheme of things when it comes to the federal government.
The read the best argument for Governorships on a conservative site earlier in the week. They pointed out how important Walker had been in Wisconsin with building up the party apparatus and putting for proposals that helped Rs exploit that in 2016. R Governors can also champion bills that will expand or retract voter access.


Its hard for a national candidate to try to drop into a competitive state and find a path to victory when their is no one in their party who has established or followed that path.
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Who cares about governorship's? They are useless in the grand scheme of things when it comes to the federal government.
Oh, governorships are very important. A lot of stuff happens in the states - like reapportionment of congressional districts (given that the census 2020 is coming up). A lot of initiatives and laws can be implemented at state levels more readily than at the federal level. You can call it an experiment.

Control of local and state government also builds up a "farm team" of people who can serve at the Federal level.
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Yesterday was a huge loss for the "Resistance." They gained fewer seats than opposition parties usually do. The Tea Party gained both the Senate and House, and gained over 60 seats in the House! A true Red Wave. The Resistance lost seats in the Senate and gained fewer seats in the House than opposition parties have historically have on average. The takeaway from yesterday is that Trump Train 2020 has more momentum than Hope Train 2012 did.
Nice try at putting a brave face on the election, but the fact is that the House Democrats will have the ability to put limits on Trump that they didn't yesterday. Like do oversight on all the monkey business he's doing. Call him some of his lackeys like Zinke and Ross and hold them accountable.
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Old 11-08-2018, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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I think Democrats should be more concerned about the fact that Trump now has a foil right out of central casting in Nancy Pelosi—a rich 80-year old champaign socialist from San Francisco.
Oh, the Republicans have been doing that for decades, and it's not been all that effective as a tool for them. BFD.
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