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Old 11-09-2018, 03:18 PM
 
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The whole point of this thread is that guns used in at least three CA mass casualty shootings were legally bought in CA, under CA's severe restrictions.

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Exactly!

Many of the guns found in blue liberal cities originated from gun-nut red areas.

Thanks for proving my point.

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Old 11-09-2018, 03:31 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Who is at the very initial transaction selling that gun to a gangbanger or a strawbuyer?
Probably Holder's Fast and Furious fiasco gun runners.
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Old 11-09-2018, 03:34 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The magazine he used was illegal to posses in California.
So much for "gun control" laws. Have the anti-gun nuts realized that criminals don't obey laws yet? /SMH
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Old 11-09-2018, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Huntsville, AL
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These shootings absolutely vindicate CA's stance that the current laws are not good enough and we need much stricter laws!!

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No doubt, because outlaws bent on murder will be stopped in their tracks because of stricter laws!!
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Old 11-09-2018, 04:28 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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This morning there was yet another mass shooting in California. One little fact I pulled out of the news coverage for this was that the gun involved was legally purchased in California. This brings up an inconvenient fact for gun control proponents.

California has some of the strictest gun control in the country. It's gun control laws are a model of what the left wing gun control advocates want to foist on the country as a while. But now we've had the third (at least) mass shooting where the gun(s) used were legally purchased in CA, under it's gun control laws. The other two are San Bernadino and Isla Vista.

The reason this is a major point of the failure of gun control is that gun grabbers in liberal states complain that other states more reasonable gun laws allow guns to come into the hard core gun control states, and cause the killings. This was plainly not the case in these events. So it goes to show that even if CA's laws were implemented at the federal level, they'd have little or no effect in reducing mass shootings.
The following bill would stop suspected terrorists from buying guns (but republicans in congress blocked the law.)
GOP blocks bill to stop terrorists from buying guns | MSNBC

The following regulation stops certain mentally ill people from buying guns (but Trump abolished the regulation.)
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...lly-ill-people

Can you explain how the above laws would not stop mass murders from happening?


Increased background checks will not stop all (or even most) mass murders, but these laws would stop at least some large mass murders in the future.

And better gun laws might have even stopped our most recent bar mass murder from happening.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...aks-prevention


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The Isla Vista shooting is also instructive in evaluating the effectiveness of another pet policy of gun control advocates. They want to screen people buying or owning guns for mental instability, and try and take away their guns.
Democrat gun laws do not stop all mentally ill people from buying guns, rather they stop people "who have been deemed mentally incapable of managing their financial affairs" from buying guns.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...lly-ill-people
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Old 11-09-2018, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Facts, facts, and more facts....

The problem isn't the guns --- the problem is the decline of decency, the decline of respect for God, the decline of people knowing right vs wrong.


I agree with this wholeheartedly and I'm not even religious.

We've made being a good person passé.

We demonize anyone who disagrees with us.

We've taken all notion of morality and turned it into nothing but a political weapon to attack the other side with.

No God in schools or public places and especially not in the media or our government.

And then we wonder why people seem to have such callous disregard for human life.
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Old 11-09-2018, 05:13 PM
 
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The following bill would stop suspected terrorists from buying guns (but republicans in congress blocked the law.)
GOP blocks bill to stop terrorists from buying guns | MSNBC

The following regulation stops certain mentally ill people from buying guns (but Trump abolished the regulation.)
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...lly-ill-people

Can you explain how the above laws would not stop mass murders from happening?


Increased background checks will not stop all (or even most) mass murders, but these laws would stop at least some large mass murders in the future.

And better gun laws might have even stopped our most recent bar mass murder from happening.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...aks-prevention




Democrat gun laws do not stop all mentally ill people from buying guns, rather they stop people "who have been deemed mentally incapable of managing their financial affairs" from buying guns.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...lly-ill-people
The mentally ill provision he blocked was poorly written. Anyone who had someone help them manage their money could have been ineligible to own a gun under that flawed idea. It considered those people mentally deficient.
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Old 11-09-2018, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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Exactly!

Many of the guns found in blue liberal cities originated from gun-nut red areas.

Thanks for proving my point.

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So what. Do guns only exist in "gun nut red areas"? Last time I checked there was a whole world out there with LOTS of guns. Cut out the freedom of the free states and bad guys will still get guns. Smuggling is a thing, after all.
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Old 11-09-2018, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Upper Bucks County, PA.
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The following bill would stop suspected terrorists from buying guns (but republicans in congress blocked the law.)
GOP blocks bill to stop terrorists from buying guns | MSNBC

The government can not disable a fundamental right without due process.

That bunch of right-wingers called the ACLU opposed "No Fly No Buy" too:
https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-s...-used-restrict


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The following regulation stops certain mentally ill people from buying guns (but Trump abolished the regulation.)
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...lly-ill-people
Again, no due process and the SS administrator rule does not necessarily denote mental illness.

How many mass shooters have been Social Security recipients anyway?

LOL

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And better gun laws might have even stopped our most recent bar mass murder from happening.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...aks-prevention
So because California authorities did not use a law available to them you think "better" (new?) laws are needed?

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Democrat gun laws do not stop all mentally ill people from buying guns, rather they stop people "who have been deemed mentally incapable of managing their financial affairs" from buying guns.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...lly-ill-people
Same proposal as above . . . Obama doesn't get to do Congress' job of adding to 18 U.S.C. § 922(1-9), especially when no commitment or adjudication occurs.

Mentioning the Obama SS rule change twice only leads me to believe you don't have a clue about this topic.


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Old 11-09-2018, 05:39 PM
 
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We should end DUI laws because we still get drunk driving..
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