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California wants STRICTER gun control laws. The current laws are completely INADEQUATE.
But CA's hands are tied because... Republican guns nuts.
These shootings absolutely vindicate CA's stance that the current laws are not good enough and we need much stricter laws!!
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The point of diminishing returns applys here. I choose to err on not diminishing good men's means because of the few bad men.
Many great men have said it before:
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
“Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves.”
"Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.”
We should end DUI laws because we still get drunk driving..
Odd that I don't read anyone actually making that argument.
How about:
We should legally track and register those who own alcoholic products and limit thier ability to drive and the types of vehicles they can purchase due to the possibility that they might drive drunk.
It's one of life's basics that restricting legal markets for an item with significant demand always creates a black market for that item. The Mexican drug cartels are salivating at the prospect of smuggling guns into the US along with all the drugs
It's one of life's basics that restricting legal markets for an item with significant demand always creates a black market for that item. The Mexican drug cartels are salivating at the prospect of smuggling guns into the US along with all the drugs
Australia is having that problem now. The black market for guns there is flourishing.
The mentally ill provision he blocked was poorly written. Anyone who had someone help them manage their money could have been ineligible to own a gun under that flawed idea. It considered those people mentally deficient.
Do you know anyone who has someone managing their money? (I do and it would not be safe to allow that particular person to purchase a gun.)
But I see (and respect) your point. And the problem is republicans and democrats don't work together to create gun that make sense. And with the mentally ill gun law their could be a appeals process, where people denied access to a gun would have the chance to show they are morally responsible and truly need a gun.
Owning a gun is every Americans right, but their are certain age groups and certain people who should not be allowed to purchase guns.
We should end DUI laws because we still get drunk driving..
If you buy booze you need to register your vehicle in a special database if it is a corvette or other sports car and wait ten days after buying a car to make sure you won't go on a bender for 10 days to prove you can drive sober. You must take a breathalyzer and show a special ID besides a license that says you have driven sober before. Plus take a test and pay 20 bucks. The motorcycle one will be much more strict because it's so much faster and can kill pedestrians much easier in the wrong hands. A class C RV? Good luck. No one needs one of those here. They are just a menace and too powerful.
If you want to buy booze if you own a car you'll need another license that says you passed a recent BGC that you have no DUI's or other criminal activity on your record.
That would be a fair doncha think? That's about as close to CA gun laws as we can get.
It would appear republicans are in agreement with the far-left ACLU.
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Again, no due process and the SS administrator rule does not necessarily denote mental illness.
How many mass shooters have been Social Security recipients anyway?
Excellent point.
"The vast majority of mass shootings are not committed by the diagnosable mentally ill, no matter what politicians try to suggest."
"Only about three to five percent of violent acts in the US are committed by individuals who have been diagnosed with a mental illness, and the percentage of crimes they commit with a gun "are lower than the national average for persons not diagnosed with mental illness," according to findings published in the American Journal of Psychiatry in 2015."
Studies have also found that the mentally ill are no more likely to become violent than a person without an illness, and that only one percent of violent acts committed by psychiatric patients involved killing a "target""
So because California authorities did not use a law available to them you think "better" (new?) laws are needed?
Responsible gun owners keep guns away from children, they keep guns hidden from criminals, they carefully consider who they sell/trade guns with, and they do not sell guns to suspected terrorists.
We simply need people in Washington who desire and pass the gun laws of responsible gun owners.
Do you know anyone who has someone managing their money? (I do and it would not be safe to allow that particular person to purchase a gun.)
This is opinion and speculation.
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Originally Posted by chad3
but I see (and respect) your point. And the problem is republicans and democrats don't work together to create gun that make sense. And with the mentally ill gun law their could be a appeals process, where people denied access to a gun would have the chance to show they are morally responsible and truly need a gun.
Need should never be a component necessary for exercising ones rights.
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Originally Posted by chad3
Owning a gun is every Americans right, but their are certain age groups and certain people who should not be allowed to purchase guns.
Unfounded speculation and opinion.
Things like this are never absolute.
It would appear republicans are in agreement with the far-left ACLU.
Excellent point.
"The vast majority of mass shootings are not committed by the diagnosable mentally ill, no matter what politicians try to suggest."
"Only about three to five percent of violent acts in the US are committed by individuals who have been diagnosed with a mental illness, and the percentage of crimes they commit with a gun "are lower than the national average for persons not diagnosed with mental illness," according to findings published in the American Journal of Psychiatry in 2015."
Studies have also found that the mentally ill are no more likely to become violent than a person without an illness, and that only one percent of violent acts committed by psychiatric patients involved killing a "target""
Responsible gun owners keep guns away from children, they keep guns hidden from criminals, they carefully consider who they sell/trade guns with, and they do not sell guns to suspected terrorists.
We simply need people in Washington who desire and pass the gun laws of responsible gun owners.
I keep seeing "keep guns away from children". What about the thousands of "children" who hunt and target shoot?
If you buy booze you need to register your vehicle in a special database if it is a corvette or other sports car and wait ten days after buying a car to make sure you won't go on a bender for 10 days to prove you can drive sober. You must take a breathalyzer and show a special ID besides a license that says you have driven sober before. Plus take a test and pay 20 bucks. The motorcycle one will be much more strict because it's so much faster and can kill pedestrians much easier in the wrong hands. A class C RV? Good luck. No one needs one of those here. They are just a menace and too powerful.
If you want to buy booze if you own a car you'll need another license that says you passed a recent BGC that you have no DUI's or other criminal activity on your record.
That would be a fair doncha think? That's about as close to CA gun laws as we can get.
Booze is meant to be consumed. It can cause bad behavior. But not meant for harm, and it is a consumed product that doesnt last.
Guns are built to destroy what they're aiming at using projectiles. Side effects are potential injury or death caused by misuse or malicious intent..
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