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So, we should put some of that on the many NASCAR owners and drivers who travel to races by private jet, right? And let's not forget cleaning up Jack Roush's crashes.
Baaaaaaaaad example!
"we should put some of that on the many NASCAR owners and drivers"
EMPHASIS on SOME.
There are hell of a lot MORE other celebrities, Hollywood, TV, music, etc, then their are NASCAR owners and drivers.
I think you just make this stuff up. You should be in the dictionary under "knowing just enough to be dangerous".
In discussing this in scientific terms, we don't care about the absorption rate! In fact, the small IR absorption rate of CO2 tends to shoot your argument in the foot.
The sun's energy comes blasting through the atmosphere 24/7/365. CO2 absorbs very little of it. The Earth absorbs it instead, warming it. Everybody knows that part. You are trying to argue that the sun has to warm the CO2 directly, allowing you to spout those ridiculous numbers of yours.
No, what matters is what happens after the sun sets. The CO2 and the other greenhouse gasses act as a blanket, by slightly interfering with what gets radiated back into space. An exaggerated analogy would be it is like a piece of glass; the sun and its heat penetrates just fine, but the heat created behind it is trapped for a long period.
It is exactly the opposite of what you are trying to argue. The greenhouse gases are not causing heat, they are trapping it.
I know this was a complete waste of time, because you are not about to re-evaluate your science on this, since that might result in a stance that goes against your politics. Oh well...
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Originally Posted by hawkeye2009
That, my friend, reveals a very basic misunderstanding of how infared energy interacts with the atmosphere. The notion that CO2 acts as an atmospheric “blanket” is completely scientifically false and suggests that you do not command even a basic knowledge of thermodynamics or physics by which I could engage you in a meaningful discussion.
Better stick with “science” as told in the tabloids and curl up in that nice CO2 blanket.��
BS in Chemical Engineering and MD. Academic medical bench science research prior to private practice; looking to return to academia. I took graduate level mathematics and physics as well in undergrad, thus the continued interest in these areas. I'm such a nerd that I still read physics and math textbooks for "fun".
When one looks at many of the mathematical issues associated with the notion of CO2 induced "global warming", it makes no sense at all. The qualitative emotional "arguments" for this hypothesis are simply not supported by actual, rational science.
I am an ardent supporter of environmental issues. However, I support measures that are based in reality, not emotion, and have a real impact on the environment. Pollutants are a very real issue facing mankind, however, CO2 is not a pollutant- it is as essential to life on earth as oxygen. I find it amusing that political agendas have classified CO2 as a "pollutant"; for a viable planet, we actually need more, not less CO2. We have many air and water pollutants which need to be addressed rather than diverting attention to a non issue like CO2.
Let's focus on the real problems facing the planet, as there are many. The whole global warming issue simply misallocates resources that could be used to address actual problems.
Why don't we encourage and subsidize working at home? This could save orders of magnitude more gas. There are many commuters who don't actually have to report to their job site, or not report everyday.
Subsidize this the way they do LCD lights and wind power. Everyone would win.
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