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Old 11-12-2018, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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NBC News reports that veterans are facing homelessness due to the inability of this administration to pay them their GI benefits.
One would think that getting this corrected would be a priority.
Apparently not.


“At the end of August, Veterans Benefits Administration had nearly 239,000 pending claims — 100,000 more than at the same point in 2017. As school began, thousands of students faced dire circumstances and some faced eviction, getting kicked out of school or taking on loan or credit card debt.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ngoing-n934696
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Old 11-12-2018, 07:53 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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NBC News reports that veterans are facing homelessness due to the inability of this administration to pay them their GI benefits.
One would think that getting this corrected would be a priority.
Apparently not.


“At the end of August, Veterans Benefits Administration had nearly 239,000 pending claims — 100,000 more than at the same point in 2017. As school began, thousands of students faced dire circumstances and some faced eviction, getting kicked out of school or taking on loan or credit card debt.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ngoing-n934696

I wouldn't, it doesn't affect Trump, it's more important the 1% get their tax cuts.
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Old 11-12-2018, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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well, I have no interests in turning this thread into another useless shouting match, I certainly do not want to defend President Donald Trump when he is impossible to defend.

However, I do not believe one should blame him for every damned thing either. Matter of fact, he most certainly should NOT be blamed in this situation.

Please do a little research and fact checking first before blaming,

There are many veterans, like Roundtree, across the country who are still waiting for VA to catch up with a backlog created after President Donald Trump signed the Forever GI Bill in 2017. The landmark piece of legislation greatly expanded benefits for veterans and their families, but it did not upgrade the VA's technical capabilities to account for those changes.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ngoing-n934696

In another word, they did not receive their GI bill on time due to VA's ongoing IT issue, Trump certainly greatly expanded benefits for veterans and their families. Blaming Trump in this case is simply unjustified.
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Old 11-12-2018, 08:16 AM
 
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NBC News reports that veterans are facing homelessness due to the inability of this administration to pay them their GI benefits.
One would think that getting this corrected would be a priority.
Apparently not.


“At the end of August, Veterans Benefits Administration had nearly 239,000 pending claims — 100,000 more than at the same point in 2017. As school began, thousands of students faced dire circumstances and some faced eviction, getting kicked out of school or taking on loan or credit card debt.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ngoing-n934696
The Trump administration has increased the funding for the military, and the VA.

The facts for anyone that cares.

There was a large sudden increase in the number of applications to process.


From the article

“That’s when the floodgates opened,” said Patrick Murray, the deputy director of the Veterans of Foreign Wars. “With all the delays trying to get the upgrades in the ZIP code processing, they suddenly got all their enrollments, which usually come during the spring across the summer. Instead they all came a few weeks before the fall semester, and they couldn’t keep up.”
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Old 11-12-2018, 08:18 AM
 
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well, I have no interests in turning this thread into another useless shouting match, I certainly do not want to defend President Donald Trump when he is impossible to defend.

However, I do not believe one should blame him for every damned thing either. Matter of fact, he most certainly should NOT be blamed in this situation.

Please do a little research and fact checking first before blaming,

There are many veterans, like Roundtree, across the country who are still waiting for VA to catch up with a backlog created after President Donald Trump signed the Forever GI Bill in 2017. The landmark piece of legislation greatly expanded benefits for veterans and their families, but it did not upgrade the VA's technical capabilities to account for those changes.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ngoing-n934696

In another word, they did not receive their GI bill on time due to VA's ongoing IT issue, Trump certainly greatly expanded benefits for veterans and their families. Blaming Trump in this case is simply unjustified.
Not unjustified.
Clearly there was no due diligence done before he signed this.
Where is/was the personnel needed to upgrade the system to handle the increase in requests?
Why hasn’t it been addressed over a year later?
This country excels in IT development - surely there are engineers available who could have fixed this before it got to this point.

That it hasn’t is completely on Trump, just like it would have been on Obama if he was still president.
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Old 11-12-2018, 08:23 AM
 
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Not unjustified.
Clearly there was no due diligence done before he signed this.
Where is/was the personnel needed to upgrade the system to handle the increase in requests?
Why hasn’t it been addressed over a year later?
This country excels in IT development - surely there are engineers available who could have fixed this before it got to this point.

That it hasn’t is completely on Trump, just like it would have been on Obama if he was still president.
I don't think so. I don't believe the President's job is to micromanaging things.

If this is Obama's administration, I would have said the same thing.

VA's problem is not a lack of funding, it is a lack of accountability.

Trump expanded veteran and families' benefits, and I certainly cannot blame him for this VA ONGOING IT problem.
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Old 11-12-2018, 08:26 AM
 
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well, I have no interests in turning this thread into another useless shouting match, I certainly do not want to defend President Donald Trump when he is impossible to defend.

However, I do not believe one should blame him for every damned thing either. Matter of fact, he most certainly should NOT be blamed in this situation.

Please do a little research and fact checking first before blaming,

There are many veterans, like Roundtree, across the country who are still waiting for VA to catch up with a backlog created after President Donald Trump signed the Forever GI Bill in 2017. The landmark piece of legislation greatly expanded benefits for veterans and their families, but it did not upgrade the VA's technical capabilities to account for those changes.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ngoing-n934696

In another word, they did not receive their GI bill on time due to VA's ongoing IT issue, Trump certainly greatly expanded benefits for veterans and their families. Blaming Trump in this case is simply unjustified.

But isn't it the responsibility of management, private sector or government, to do their homework and make sure all the needed elements are in place and functioning before patting themselves on the back for what they've allegedly done? IF you're content to sit back and accept kudos for the work of 'The Best' people, you should also expect to take the heat when that work is poorly done.
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Old 11-12-2018, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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But isn't it the responsibility of management, private sector or government, to do their homework and make sure all the needed elements are in place and functioning before patting themselves on the back for what they've allegedly done? IF you're content to sit back and accept kudos for the work of 'The Best' people, you should also expect to take the heat when that work is poorly done.
well There is nothing I can say if the above is what you believe.
I have already given my reasons why I do not blame Trump. I don't blame any presidents for va problem actually.

I simply do not understand why they have an ongoing IT problem. I am not saying it is fairly easy to fix, but if they consider it a priority, this would not be an issue.

Blame Trump for other things, but he expanded Veterans' benefits, VA has an ongoing IT problem. This is not a problem Trump needs to fix.

Like I said earlier, I do not believe President's responsibility is to micromanaging things. VA's problem is not a lack of funding, (although many believe it is), VA's problem is a lack of accountability.
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Old 11-12-2018, 10:23 AM
 
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I don't think so. I don't believe the President's job is to micromanaging things.

If this is Obama's administration, I would have said the same thing.

VA's problem is not a lack of funding, it is a lack of accountability.

Trump expanded veteran and families' benefits, and I certainly cannot blame him for this VA ONGOING IT problem.
According to the link, there are 45,000(!) unfilled positions at the VA.
There is no CIO since the last one left after Trump's election.
The IT issues were known before the legislation was signed.

It's no secret that Trump wants to privatize the VA.
That he hasn't expended any energy delegating responsibility to anyone to ensure that things run smoothly is completely obvious and is completely on him.
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Old 11-12-2018, 10:31 AM
 
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yeah lets blame trump for thing that should be laid at the feet of those running the VA instead. we cannot lay the blame for everything that goes wrong in government at the feet of the president, even though we would like to. we have to lay the blame where it belongs, to those doing the day to day operations at the VA.
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