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Old 11-13-2018, 11:51 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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That means the poor and middle class will pay the bulk of the taxes to keep the nation afloat. .

The more money you have, the more stuff you buy, right?
Or are you a, put it all in the bank account type of guy?
Food and essentials have never had a sales tax and would be political suicide to even bring that up.
The luxuries is where the tax base is.
Higher priced Items, pay more tax and the rich pay more tax than the poor, by choice. it is not robbed or stolen.
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Old 11-13-2018, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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The more money you have, the more stuff you buy, right?
Or are you a, put it all in the bank account type of guy?
Food and essentials have never had a sales tax and would be political suicide to even bring that up.
The luxuries is where the tax base is.
Higher priced Items, pay more tax and the rich pay more tax than the poor, by choice. it is not robbed or stolen.
Don't tax food, medicine, clothing or domicile expenses and I'm on board with it.
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Old 11-13-2018, 11:56 AM
 
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There is nothing wrong with a mandatory income tax. People who earn the most, benefit the most from the stability of the system. They should pay more into it to see the system through. People who earn the least, have the least to lose from overthrowing the system and taking your stuff by force. We saw this in many socialist revolutions in the 20th century.

In nature there is no such thing as "money" or "private property" those are all contracts between individuals and their government. In nature all that counts is what you can defend by force. While I admire your libertarian idealism - it's just idealism. If your system would ever be implemented, it would be see through its own destruction within a matter of years.
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Old 11-13-2018, 11:58 AM
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There is nothing wrong with a mandatory income tax. People who earn the most, benefit the most from the stability of the system. They should pay more into it to see the system through. People who earn the least, have the least to use from overthrowing the system and taking your stuff by force. We saw this in many socialist revolutions in the 20th century.
So they'd be willing pay for the same benefits in a free market. Kind shoots down that whole mandatory income tax nonsense.
"stabilty of the system"
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Old 11-13-2018, 12:00 PM
 
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So they'd be willing pay for the same benefits in a free market. Kind shoots down that whole mandatory income tax nonsense.
"stabilty of the system"
This did not make any sense. Re-phrase it.
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Old 11-13-2018, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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There is nothing wrong with a mandatory income tax. People who earn the most, benefit the most from the stability of the system. They should pay more into it to see the system through. People who earn the least, have the least to lose from overthrowing the system and taking your stuff by force. We saw this in many socialist revolutions in the 20th century.

In nature there is no such thing as "money" or "private property" those are all contracts between individuals and their government. In nature all that counts is what you can defend by force. While I admire your libertarian idealism - it's just idealism. If your system would ever be implemented, it would be see through its own destruction within a matter of years.
the problem with a mandatory ""income"" tax, is that a good portion of income is never reported


and in nature there is such a thing as private property, or in natures terminology territory .. bet you would think twice of going into a lions lair (his/hers private property)
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Old 11-13-2018, 12:19 PM
 
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the problem with a mandatory ""income"" tax, is that a good portion of income is never reported


and in nature there is such a thing as private property, or in natures terminology territory .. bet you would think twice of going into a lions lair (his/hers private property)
Well, there is an IRS for a reason, and people who don't report their income accurately run the risk of being jailed, having their property confiscated, etc.

Again, there is no such thing as "private property" in nature. It does not exist. It's a contract between you and the government, and that contract comes with a rule you pay taxes
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Old 11-13-2018, 12:22 PM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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most people would pay nothing or as little as possible.
And demand as much as they could get.
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Old 11-13-2018, 01:59 PM
 
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Liberty: Choice.
They take money from you before you ever see it, or others that by a certain day, you better be paid up, or face a gun pointed at you.


What if everyone had a choice just how much money they thought government needed from them, to keep them in control of us, or just to fix infrastructure only.


What would you be willing to pay monthly or yearly to the government, if it was your choice? Instead of having to be robbed, or intimidated with violence.
Sounds like you want free stuff.
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Old 11-13-2018, 03:21 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Don't tax food, medicine, clothing or domicile expenses and I'm on board with it.
A luxury tax. Things you don't need to survive. No tax on the essentials including some clothing and anything baby.
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