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When I was growing up a patriotic boomer in the 50's nobody had to tell us the USA was the one exceptional nation on the planet, nothing else like it. We just knew that, and it was true. Where conservatism went off the rails is we thought capitalism and exceptionalism were so obvious we ASSUMED the whole population would see that like we did. Not so,as we see today. The leftists and socialists INSURED the young heads full of mush seeking a higher education would only be given the liberal point of view whenever possible, starting in the 60's. So today we have high level schools that started out as bastions of Christianity who will shout down anything biblical in a nanosecond. Almost none that started out judeo-Christian have ended up that way they are secular and proud of it. So we see the fruits of their twisted dark views alive and well in the young and younger today. They listen to CNN and NPR and think they get the news. Patton, Eisenhower, and my uncle who was a flight engineer on a B-29 wouldn't recognize this place today. It makes me sick to see what is tolerated and encouraged by leftists today. Flag burning, open revolt, harassment of any conservative officials.....it will not end well. Those who though the USA wouldn't last and would eventually implode from within may be correct in the end..........what a sad thought..........
OP post is a true generalization. Not in all cases, but yes its true. I saw one study that showed that the graduates of these colleges saw no improvement on standardized tests. Not much education going on.
I've already provided data, which puts educational outcomes of heterogeneous countries like Canada, Australia, the UK, and Australia -- not just homogeneous ones, as you theorized upthread - significantly above the outcomes of the US. If you are skeptical of the data in the Pew report, then provide the data to disprove it. You're a fellow educator, after all, so you know how to locate and identify authoritative information.
Apparently, you are unable to have an intelligent discussion without resorting to the kind of rudeness commonly used on City Data and other online forums (never mind the juvenile over-use of icons). Meanwhile, I think you said you graduated around the same time as I did, which puts you roughly around the same age as I am. Old enough to be passed that shi*. Yet...you're a teacher. And, like me, a parent.
But, yeah, I just can't imagine what the problem could be with American education. I can't even guess as to why American students today consistently exhibit such immature, disrespectful behavior in the classroom that it routinely undermines discussion and learning. That's a real puzzle.
Yes, you provided one set of data in which the top ten countries across the three categories, with the exception of Canada and Singapore, are homogeneous countries. You think Hong Kong, Japan, South Korea, Slovenia, Vietnam, Taiwan, Finland, Estonia are heterogeneous countries?
For reasons only you can explain, you also choose to list the UK and Australia. Neither of which ranks in the top 10 in any of the categories and neither of which is particularly heterogeneous.
After arguing several times that we have a poor educational system in the States, you jumped in and implied I was arguing that our system is better than the others you mentioned. Like many other people, you think you're two steps ahead when you're, in fact, five steps behind. Instead of acknowledging that you misstated what I had argued, you double down and proceed downward even further. That is "rude" behavior.
So, you start out in an obnoxious fashion and then when given a very mild rebuke, you now play the victim and try a passive-aggressive emoticon capper for your reply. Then (chuckling) you complain about my overuse of emoticons when I returned your passive-aggressiveness on you. Uh, ma'am, the use of emoticons, period, is "juvenile."
I've been on the World Wide Web/Internet for nearly 25 years now. Here's an observation I've relayed several times in several different forums when someone has sounded the same notes as you. Most women will be unhappy on Internet forums. Unsurprisingly, forums are overwhelmingly populated by men. Women tend to react much more negatively to criticism and to teasing. Over those 25 years, I've been called every name in the book, have been threatened and have even had a convicted stalker and genuine nutbag tell me he was going to sue me. It comes with the territory and at no point over all those years have I ever "told on somebody" or thought to ask someone else to take care of some anonymous person who said a mean thing. I'm an adult. Adults don't do that, or at least they're not supposed to act like that. You deal with it. Contrast that with your reaction and the reactions of other women like yourself, who are fond of having "moderators"...school marms... in places like this to police all those mean men who say something that happens to hurt your feelings. And, God forbid if a thread about one subject should slightly deviate, in the way normal conversations do, to a tangentially-related issue. In other words, the effect of people like you is to make the conversations here duller, less interesting and dictated on your terms. What a shock.
My advice to women who have complained about meanness on the Internet is that Internet forums are probably not for them. They won't be happy in them. People will write things they find to be mean or offensive or just simply contrary to what they would prefer others to think. Others will criticize their opinions and they will probably take these criticisms, even criticisms strictly of their ideas, as personal criticisms. That's how women tend to react to criticism, in general. (I have even listened to feminists acknowledge this and then speculate on how we can change women so they don't react this way.) Many times, they won't be able to police that. Odds are, most of them would be happier just avoiding forums, even forums with minders like these on City-Data.
You really shouldn't use Jordan Peterson as an example of an anti-leftist in an American context. He's Canadian, so his conservative leanings are not like yours or other American conservatives. I don't know the guy, but I can practically guarantee that, as a Canadian conservative, he wouldn't vote for Trump, he wouldn't want the US's gun laws, and he sure as heck wouldn't give up his good Canadian universal health care.
Well, you're actually proving my point. He's not anywhere near a true conservative by American standards, but he's pointing out far left extremists are dominating policies at Western universities--and he caught hell for it. He's one of the few who's successfully navigated the landmine (for now), but many others have not, such as Bret Weinsten. We just typically don't hear about the ones they get rid of. As Jonathan Haidt has said in his talks. The universities, especially in the humanities, are no longer merely left leaning. They're a near total monopoly of leftist thought.
Your post exemplifies much of the problem. There are multiple variables that explain why some other countries immersed in this belief system still manage to be largely successful with their education systems. One factor is the pay and esteem that are given to teachers in these societies. Another is that they are less prone to educational fads, as we are here. Another, uncomfortable one for some of you is homogeneity. A very heterogeneous society like ours, which tends less and less to attract the most intelligent people to teaching and which is prone to buying into the latest educational fads is of course going to lag behind Finland or Japan in education, regardless if Finland begins embracing and implementing "SJW" dogma.
Thank you for saying this
I might add even mainstream media occasionally admits we're near the top in spending compared to other developed countries. Just proves spending more money is not the panacea many on the left keep insisting:
I don't hate education. I wish the colleges and universities, especially the liberal arts and humanities, actually HAD some. And even a few honest liberals are saying the same thing.
Of course, you're not interested in responding with an actual thoughtful response. You're just interested in smearing and name calling those who disagree with you.
Few Americans bother to read their own laws and history to note that we've been the People's Democratic Socialist Republic since 1933.
ST. FDR 'liberated' all the gold money and made it a crime for 'free' Americans to own gold money.
DUH.
We've been living under a perpetual 'temporary' state of Emergency since 1933, that has ended constitutional government.
War and Emergency Powers Acts
"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years (as of the report 1933-1973), freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of national emergency."
FREEDOMS ... GUARANTEED BY THE CONSTITUTION ... HAVE BEEN ABRIDGED BY LAWS ... UNDER EMERGENCY RULE ...
Constitutional U.S.A. (1789 - 1933) R.I.P.
<< You're currently living under the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America. * No constitutional money * No endowed rights * No private property * No republican form of government * by your consent * >>
Well, MANY foreign students apply to colleges in Canada, Australia, and the UK, as well. But what does that have to do with the data in the Pew report?
"the data in the Pew report"
Hint the Pew report is NOT Gospel and always accurate.
Try to find WHO PAID for the "study".
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