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Another analogy? And a bad one, too. Equating Brexit - an idea that's going to make the movement of goods, money and people harder - with tearing down the Berlin wall, an action that made the exact same things easier? Does not compute.
Is it harder for Norway? Iceland? the Swiss? How come Norway gets a pass from criticism for not being part of the EU, but Brexit is criticized heavily? What makes being geographically next to/in Europe a critical part of being part of the EU for economical success, versus a mere short ocean hop away like in Canada?
Is it harder for Norway? Iceland? the Swiss? How come Norway gets a pass from criticism for not being part of the EU, but Brexit is criticized heavily? What makes being geographically next to/in Europe a critical part of being part of the EU for economical success, versus a mere short ocean hop away like in Canada?
Norway is part of the European Free Trade Association and EFTA, however to be part of EFTA you have to be in the customs union and adhere to free movement of people. So the UK is not interested in joining EFTA.
Norway is part of the European Free Trade Association and EFTA, however to be part of EFTA you have to be in the customs union and adhere to free movement of people. So the UK is not interested in joining EFTA.
Nice and all, but that still does not make them part of the EU. All the anti-Brexit people are saying it is doom and gloom to be be a European country and not part of the EU, yet I gave three examples of European countries, Norway, Iceland, and Switzerland, who have good economies and are not part of the EU.
That's how I see it as well, as an outsider to the UK. I don't think those behind Brexit had a real plan in place to make it happen "properly" whatever that might mean for British citizens.
There was no plan. They jumped off the cliff on the promise that they could learn to fly on the way down and it would all be wonderful.
Nice and all, but that still does not make them part of the EU. All the anti-Brexit people are saying it is doom and gloom to be be a European country and not part of the EU, yet I gave three examples of European countries, Norway, Iceland, and Switzerland, who have good economies and are not part of the EU.
Not sure how it's doom and gloom, indeed the US is not part of the EU but exports $501 Billion to Europe a year and there are WTO rules we can revert to in a no deal situation.
Britain also has a much stronger hand than many give us credit for, we are a major contibutor to military and security in Europe, whilst the trade sutplus the EU has with the UK is around $89 billion a year, which is only a few billion less than the $92 Bilion surplus it has with the entire US.
Brexiteer Members of Parliament such as William Rees-Mogg and Boris Johnson actually clearly state that going to WTO rules is a better option than the current deal as would some kind of Canada plus type free trade deal.
Ruth Lea is Economic Adviser at Arbuthnot Banking Group explains why she believes the WTO option is best for Britain.
David Collins is a Professor of International Economic Law at City, University of London and author of Negotiating Brexit: The Legal Basis for EU and Global Trade, explains some of the myths regarding WTO trade in the article below -
kichael Burrage a member of Economists for Free Trade and a Senior Research Fellow at Civitas, explains why he believes WTO rules are the best option -
That's how I see it as well, as an outsider to the UK. I don't think those behind Brexit had a real plan in place to make it happen "properly" whatever that might mean for British citizens.
There was no plan, because those behind the Brexit vote (Cameron, Boris Johnson) didn't want it to succeed. The Tories saw it as a cunning plan to appeal to nationalists and get them into the Tory fold. Nigel Farage of course just stirs up anti-EU sentiment for a living while drawing his MEP salary. Then the voters got stupid and the plan backfired pretty badly. Now they'd have to deliver. So they bravely ran away and May
Then May needed a gesture to buck up the vote and invoked Article 50. (Didn't work, because she's a really bad politician.) That starts the 2-year countdown. It's done. And at that point, her government didn't even have anything resembling a plan. And 2 years is nothing for something this complex. Well, surprise, surprise: No plan was made in time, the EU offered a pretty workable deal (Canada Plus) and was turned down. The next deal was worse for the UK - the UK simply failed to understand who held the power.
The Brexit voters expect May to deliver on Nigal Farage's promises - which is utterly impossible in the real world - and the deadline is approaching.
Invoking Art. 50 was possibly the dumbest political move in centuries of British politics. If you go to the EU and say "Our electorate wants out, let's talk terms", you have some clout. But commit to leaving first, then negotiate? You may as well go to the used car lot and sign a document legally obligating you to buy a car that day. That's not a strong negotiation position.
Nice and all, but that still does not make them part of the EU. All the anti-Brexit people are saying it is doom and gloom to be be a European country and not part of the EU, yet I gave three examples of European countries, Norway, Iceland, and Switzerland, who have good economies and are not part of the EU.
By abiding by EU rules they have no say in defining.
How come Norway gets a pass from criticism for not being part of the EU, but Brexit is criticized heavily?
Have the Brexiteers expressed interest in an EEA/EFTA type of deal? Participation, but no vote? Missed my attention. Also, there's the bit about Norway being really, really rich. They can afford to help fund the EU without having a vote because hey, oil.
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