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Old 11-18-2018, 11:05 AM
 
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Ocasio-Cortez, who claims to be a "democratic socialist".

This is the same term that Eastern European Communists used to describe themselves.
And Kim Jong Un describes himself as a leader of a democratic republic. Do you actually believe that is true as well? Why believe in the propaganda from obvious dictators?

What is Ocasio Cortez advocating? Just run of the mill stuff that FDR and JFK also advocated, like a stronger public safety net, stronger labor unions and joining the rest of the developed world and guaranteeing health care as a right. Hardly radical or extreme. Even huge numbers of republican voters support these things when polled.
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Old 11-18-2018, 11:18 AM
 
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Steve Bannon speculates that Michael Bloomberg will form a third party a la Ross Perot.
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Old 11-18-2018, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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And Kim Jong Un describes himself as a leader of a democratic republic. Do you actually believe that is true as well? Why believe in the propaganda from obvious dictators?

What is Ocasio Cortez advocating? Just run of the mill stuff that FDR and JFK also advocated, like a stronger public safety net, stronger labor unions and joining the rest of the developed world and guaranteeing health care as a right. Hardly radical or extreme. Even huge numbers of republican voters support these things when polled.


yep the same socialist leftist stuff hitler advocated for
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Old 11-18-2018, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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There are already centralized parties out there. The problem is not that there's a lack of party, the problem is the money. Media outlets make money by picking winners/losers in politics, the politicians then return the favor by advertising with the media outlets. Lobbies payoff the politicians, the politicians then reward to contracts. Until the centralized parties are able to be as corrupt as the Dems and Repubs, until they can award the contracts and blow billions on the media, they will never get traction enough to be able to win an election.
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Old 11-18-2018, 12:14 PM
 
Location: PSL
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good luck moving to this state.. you will be taxed out of existence


affordable real estate???


so a very small 1400sf 100 year old 3 bedroom house, sitting on a tiny postage stamp property (50x100) will run you 350-450k..... and have 13k annual property taxes...... that is not affordable




saw a place up near West Point.... price was actually reasonable...large house 2800sf... priced at 250k.... not bad.... until I looked at the taxes......24k annually (that's 2000 a month just in the taxes..) with a "great schools rating on the district schools of 4 out of 10)




sorry but you don't get what you pay for, here anymore....
LOL tell them about the pot holes big enough to swallow a buick.
Muh socialism gives you roads. Muh taxes you pay maintain and repair them.

By the way pleb, due to our ineptitude to maintain roads you're going to have to pass our safety inspections every year.
Enjoy replacing the front end and improperly worn tires like clock work.

Tell them about how police are neutered and can't make arrests at the scene of a drug over dose anymore. How trap houses proliferated because we must reduce the stigma of overdose and addiction by enabling overdosing and addiction.

Tell them the half day marathon at the DMV to register a vehicle ROFL
I don't miss spending half the day at the DMV. Didn't matter what office or where.
Could be Colonie Poughkeepsie Catskill Hudson etc.

Florida. 10 minutes in the tax collectors office (DMV) I had my voter ID, my truck registered, state residency established, drivers license, the works.
Staff pleasant and friendly. Not rude and demeaning.
Make an error on a form or forget a line? That's okay you can fix it at the window opposed to having your forms shredded and told to go to the back of the line. Followed by the obnoxious NEXT.

Before the cityiots moved into my former AO property and school tax combined were 950 per year.
They climbed to 5,500 per year in 5 years time.
To beat the taxes and the assessment on my old 1,100sqft lake side bungalow, on .3 of an acre. I parked the maximum allowed unregistered vehicles in the yard. Let the trees and shrubs and grass grow like crazy. Let the exterior of the house go to hell.
And when I sold to break it off deep, I didn't sell for the near 320k they assessed the property at.
I sold it for 65k ROFL so much for that capital gains tax and for attempting to jack the next buyers taxes sky high
Local services in my former AO there were none.
No street lights. No stop lights.
Stop signs sure.
EMS and Fire were volunteer. Not paid.
They voted the police out because they were tired of passing ordinances they thought would only be applied to us local hicks but were equally applied to them.
Plus all the speeding tickets with supporting depositions for a radar detector.
Garbage? We used to burn it. Cityiot scourge said NO
We either bought garbage bags from the county dump at 50 bucks a rip, and haul the trash to the dump, or paid for private refuse companies to put a dumpster in.
Water?
We all had our own wells that we were responsible for.
Sewer?
We all had our own septic systems that we were responsible for.

So what in the hell were we paying all that asinine property and school tax for?
Teachers at my former high school didn't get any raises.
They actually had to cut 2 after school programs.
So it wasn't going towards anything productive for the Childrunz.
Roads?
County didn't pave roads. They laid that fine crushed gravel and tar goop down for us to compact by driving on it every 2 years.
So it didn't go to paving and maintaining roads.
Covered the local PD being voted out.
Covered EMS and Fire being purely voluntary.

So. Where was the money going?
We were told that the assessments being so high was a good thing. No, it wasn't a good thing. For who was it a good thing? The developers, when locals who lived in the area their entire lives couldn't afford the taxes and had to sell and relocate?
That the assessment was based on demand, desirability, and the added "value" of new construction?

ROFL where did the money go?
County workers to stare at pot holes? Plow snow and throw rock salt down on the roads? The state? Welfare? Where did the money go? In a rural town of 2k where the average property taxes were 1200 per year then suddenly spike in multiples of 1000.
Where did the damn money go? I asked that question at a town hall meeting. I laughed when I didn't get any response. I told those cityiot pricks on the town board that if they managed their personal finances like they did ours, they'd be in jail for theft number one, and 2 the frivolous spending would lead to rubber checks and jail time. They made "improvements" one year. Know what those improvements were?
Stucco on the town hall and giving it solar panels. Same for the fire house. Gotta make those buildings look damn pretty. Did the function improve? Nope. Did the volunteer firefighters get any new gear? New and improved training? Nope. So what was the purpose behind the firehouse getting a false facade face lift? To look pretty?

Just like the cityiot will spend a small fortune to give their wives fish lips and fake tans and face lifts, they'll do the same with the exterior of a building. Long as it looks pretty is all that matters. Function and practicality is common sense and irrelevant. It has to look pretty.

So where did the money go?
There were no improvements made.
Eye sores in the form of mcmansions.
I'm willing to bet to fund some more Cuomo good feelz initiatives or to a cityiots good ol boy network of contractors and developers for state/county work.
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Old 11-18-2018, 03:49 PM
 
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There are already centralized parties out there. The problem is not that there's a lack of party, the problem is the money. Media outlets make money by picking winners/losers in politics, the politicians then return the favor by advertising with the media outlets. Lobbies payoff the politicians, the politicians then reward to contracts. Until the centralized parties are able to be as corrupt as the Dems and Repubs, until they can award the contracts and blow billions on the media, they will never get traction enough to be able to win an election.
Yes, big money in politics is the root to most of the nation's problems. And the mainstream media is owned by the billionaire class with their own agenda which is radically different than the average American. Unless we massively strengthen the labor union movement and also get big money out of politics, things will only get worse.
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Old 11-18-2018, 04:01 PM
 
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The Democratic party is the center center/right party. There is no liberal party with any power in the USA.
Sorry, socialism is not center right.
Nor is the disrespect for law and order.
Nor is open borders.
Nor is the disrespect for patriotism, sovereignty, nationalism., our anthem, our flag
Nor is the censuring of and rioting over anyone you disagree with....
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Old 11-18-2018, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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The Democrats are the party of the rich. Which poor people in the party do you think are against tax cuts?
The ones who don't currently pay any income taxes. Why wouldn't they be against tax cuts? Tax cuts mean less money for the government programs and services that they currently use and don't pay for.
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Old 11-18-2018, 04:11 PM
 
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Dems are trending hard-left, that is the winning-ticket!
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Old 11-18-2018, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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Yes, big money in politics is the root to most of the nation's problems. And the mainstream media is owned by the billionaire class with their own agenda which is radically different than the average American. Unless we massively strengthen the labor union movement and also get big money out of politics, things will only get worse.
Strengthening the labor unions has nothing to do with a 3rd party gaining traction. Unions a decidedly in the Dems camp. They spend 100's of millions on lobbying for the Democratic Party. Someone needs to run on corporate law reform, tax reform, repealing Medicare/Medicade in favor of a universal health care that's free to all, lobby law reform, and creating a non-biased platform that's not influenced by money and doesn't pick favorites when awarding contracts. One that fights corporate and government corruption and reduces spending to balance our deficit.

There are many issues of both sides of the spectrum that can be a win-win for all Americans, but we have been in a lame duck since the last 2 years of Bush's 2nd term. As long as we're divided, Americans will suffer and the politicians will keep giving themselves raises and vacations.
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