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Old 07-04-2019, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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the Perry Mason moment mentioned in the article:

"A witness testifying during the trial last month roiled the case when he admitted that he killed the teenage militant, one of the crimes Gallagher was on trial for in California."

It was a prosecution witness who confessed to the killing. That's worse for the prosecution than a defense witness doing it.
When somebody else admitted killing, the case is pretty much over. Why is this such a hard pill for people to swallow? Or maybe many here don't even read the article.

No one said there was an excuse, that is why he was on trial.
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Old 07-04-2019, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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the Perry Mason moment mentioned in the article:

"A witness testifying during the trial last month roiled the case when he admitted that he killed the teenage militant, one of the crimes Gallagher was on trial for in California."

It was a prosecution witness who confessed to the killing. That's worse for the prosecution than a defense witness doing it.
When somebody else admitted killing, the case is pretty much over. Why is this such a hard pill for people to swallow? Or maybe many here don't even read the article.

No one said there was an excuse, that is why he was on trial.
Its difficult because now no one will be held responsible for the murder. If he had testified several weeks ago before receiving immunity it would have meaning, no one believes his testimony but they have no choice. He did this to cover for Gallagher and the worst they can do is convict him for lying under oath, its pretty clear why he changed his testimony.
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Old 07-04-2019, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Its difficult because now no one will be held responsible for the murder. If he had testified several weeks ago before receiving immunity it would have meaning, no one believes his testimony but they have no choice. He did this to cover for Gallagher and the worst they can do is convict him for lying under oath, its pretty clear why he changed his testimony.
Yes, I agree.

This is pretty much the second time that I agree with you.

You have to admit, Once the prosecution’s star medical witness went south on them, it was going to be very hard to get a conviction.
Plus, with all the conflicting testimony of who killed the insurgent. There was never a case for beyond a reasonable doubt. Now, the issue here is, what is going to happen to him now? He is pretty much done.
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Old 07-04-2019, 01:48 PM
 
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the Perry Mason moment mentioned in the article:

"A witness testifying during the trial last month roiled the case when he admitted that he killed the teenage militant, one of the crimes Gallagher was on trial for in California."

It was a prosecution witness who confessed to the killing. That's worse for the prosecution than a defense witness doing it.
When somebody else admitted killing, the case is pretty much over. Why is this such a hard pill for people to swallow? Or maybe many here don't even read the article.

No one said there was an excuse, that is why he was on trial.
Give someone immunity and then get them to confess. No, something is not right there.
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Old 07-04-2019, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Give someone immunity and then get them to confess. No, something is not right there.
well, a lot of cases end up with "something is not right there." but they cannot get a conviction, that is just a fact.

Again, I am not defending this guy and he doesn't sound like an honorable person. (key word: sound) But my personal attitude or opinion about him has nothing to do with the case.

I certainly won't cry over an isis fighter. Hopefully, he can go home at least be a good husband and a father.
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Old 07-04-2019, 01:59 PM
 
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well, a lot of cases end up with "something is not right there." but they cannot get a conviction, that is just a fact.

Again, I am not defending this guy and he doesn't sound like an honorable person. (key word: sound) But my personal attitude or opinion about him has nothing to do with the case.

I certainly won't cry over an isis fighter. Hopefully, he can go home at least be a good husband and a father.
The "isis fighter" was someone doing exactly what we would do in his situation.

We are the ones in the wrong. We are the terrorists.
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Old 07-04-2019, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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The "isis fighter" was someone doing exactly what we would do in his situation.

We are the ones in the wrong. We are the terrorists.
yeah yeah you said it many times already.

Doesn't change the fact that I won't cry over the isis fighter.
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Old 07-04-2019, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD
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The military is never going to admit that soldiers are randomly killing innocent people. It will come out one day just like with what happened with Vietnam.

There is no excuse for killing someone unarmed and in custody like this.
I do agree with this But you feel this way Even when your ISIS heroes do it? It's ok THEN right, cause they are doing what you'd do and all that?

Easy to armchair or MMQ.when you haven't been there. You sure have no trouble trying to put yourself in the shoes of your terrorist friends, but did you even TRY to be as empathetic and understanding towards the military folks? Doubt that, But I get it- ISIS can do no wrong, America can do no right.
99% of soldiers and cops are decent-the 1% makes news and you lefties think ALL are evil and deserve death. Yet when 1% of Muslims, illegals, refugees do bad, and someone condemns the decent 99%,THEN it's not acceptable is it?
Do you excuse your ISIS heroes when they behead, stone, and burn alive innocent people and animals? Nah those girls had it coming to them-trying to go to school and learn- the nerve!
Before you accuse me of it, I'm no fan of the US-I left it, or the US military acting boorishly or for not leaving well enough alone, but man, you need to find better tragic heroes than ISIS. Or not. You're the one that's gotta deal with what's in the mirror.
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Old 07-04-2019, 05:10 PM
 
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I do agree with this But you feel this way Even when your ISIS heroes do it? It's ok THEN right, cause they are doing what you'd do and all that?
I do not believe that anyone has the right to take the life of another outside of direct immediate self defense.

My argument is that we have no moral standing in condemning others for what we so readily do. They are at least doing it in self defense. We have no business being there.

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Easy to armchair or MMQ.when you haven't been there. You sure have no trouble trying to put yourself in the shoes of your terrorist friends, but did you even TRY to be as empathetic and understanding towards the military folks? Doubt that, But I get it- ISIS can do no wrong, America can do no right.
99% of soldiers and cops are decent-the 1% makes news and you lefties think ALL are evil and deserve death. Yet when 1% of Muslims, illegals, refugees do bad, and someone condemns the decent 99%,THEN it's not acceptable is it?
Do you excuse your ISIS heroes when they behead, stone, and burn alive innocent people and animals? Nah those girls had it coming to them-trying to go to school and learn- the nerve!
Before you accuse me of it, I'm no fan of the US-I left it, or the US military acting boorishly or for not leaving well enough alone, but man, you need to find better tragic heroes than ISIS. Or not. You're the one that's gotta deal with what's in the mirror.
You can rant or address my actual points. Are you saying I should condemn them for not rolling over and simply let us destroy them?

If someone attacked us, is that what we would do?
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Old 07-04-2019, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD
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I do not believe that anyone has the right to take the life of another outside of direct immediate self defense.

My argument is that we have no moral standing in condemning others for what we so readily do. They are at least doing it in self defense. We have no business being there.



You can rant or address my actual points. Are you saying I should condemn them for not rolling over and simply let us destroy them?

If someone attacked us, is that what we would do?



I'd defend myself. I bet if I DID, the nation of my attacker wouldn't defend me and fall over themselves trying to defend me for harming their soldiers,I bet YOU would however.
I also didn;t condemn them for not rolling over(why do you put words in my mouth), but I believe I CAN condemn ISIS for harming innocents(non-Americans included) as well as other atrocities. I may have missed the news regarding Americans in 2019 burning alive girls for being raped, or for going to school. So do you feel we should excuse ALL of their atrocities because we "shouldn't have been there"? If someone tried to harm YOU, would you check first to be sure that -as an American, you didn;t somehow deserve it???
BTW I DID address your points- I also asked questions that you ignored.
I answered YOUR question, why can't you answer mine? and I mean answer, as opposed to your usual arrogant dismissal of the actual question and the person asking it.
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