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Old 11-19-2018, 07:07 PM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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I've been saying for a long time the social aspect of his followers in scarier than he is.

How can someone who has been proven to lie, cheat, steal, work with mobsters, etc. have such devoted followers?

The ignore all the facts, channel everything else. Trump has even been quoted as saying" I don't know, I just say it, and they believe me."
Do you have any links with specifics to back any of this up? We see this a thousand times a day from a million and one never-Trumpers who are never-Trumpers for no reason on earth other than just because....and the vast majority of it is about as substantive as a chain letter.
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Old 11-19-2018, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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why is it that liberals had zero problem with their mess-iah Obama lying cheating and stealing for 8 years? Cheering every time obams trashed America in speeches on foreign soil? Hanging out with murderous dictators?

But now, suddenly liberals are butthurt? Why?
You're not really saying anything pertinent. You have no idea if someone doesn't like what is Trump is doing, may have also had a problem with stuff Obama did.

You must not have kids. No parent worth their salt, permits a defense of an action of "but so and so did it."

If your best defense of an action is to cite something unrelated, you really don't have a good defense.
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Old 11-19-2018, 07:09 PM
 
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Fake news
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Old 11-19-2018, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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Do you have any links with specifics to back any of this up? We see this a thousand times a day from a million and one never-Trumpers who are never-Trumpers for no reason on earth other than just because....and the vast majority of it is about as substantive as a chain letter.
You jest?

Read any of the numerous books on Trump, articles, podcasts..... old news articles about the casinos, stuff from New York.

Tons of it written by extremely credible sources.

Most of this is pretty well known before he even ran for office.
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Old 11-19-2018, 07:11 PM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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You jest?

Read any of the numerous books on Trump, articles, podcasts..... old news articles about the casinos, stuff from New York.

Tons of it written by extremely credible sources.
I didn't think so.
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Old 11-19-2018, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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I'm no fan of Trump, but do you know what scares me more than Trump? His base ignoring all his in-consistences and outright lies as well as his attacks on the media. You can still be a solid Trump supporter and challenge your president on what he says or does. Any media coverage Trump doesn't like, he immediately claims it's fake news, and the scary thing is most of his supporters believe him. People for years couldn't believe how Germany's weak democracy turned into a Fascist dictatorship in the 1930's, I believe one of the first steps is discrediting the media, which in turn leads to citizen's not questioning there own government. The news is Fake? Oh what is the truth oh mighty Trump? A certain ethic group the cause of all our economic woes? We should pass laws to limit there influence in our country? Concentration camps you say?

Fortunately United States is a Strong democracy, I don't see the county falling victim to Fascist rule any time soon, but the lack of public outcry over Trumps obvious lies, miss representing the facts, inconsistencies in his policies, not to mention Trump character flaws scares me far more than anything that comes out of Trumps mouth.
1st, Prove they're lies and not tongue in cheek or just facts called lies by the opposing media.
2nd, As long as "news" outlets pick sides, their "news" will only be one-sided opinions. There's a huge difference between reporting that an earthquake hit New Mexico today, and CNN calling Bush a racist because he didn't act fast enough after Katrina.
3rd, Germany wasn't fascist. Perhaps you meant Italy?
4th, the media corporations are just that, corporations. Their are legally obligated to earn as much money as they can for their shareholders. This means picking politicians and either praising them or slandering them. The politicians then pick a media outlet to spend their billions on. In no way shape or form does this have anything to do with "news" or journalism. Follow the money.
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Old 11-19-2018, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Do you have any links with specifics to back any of this up? We see this a thousand times a day from a million and one never-Trumpers who are never-Trumpers for no reason on earth other than just because....and the vast majority of it is about as substantive as a chain letter.
Let me preface by saying that I am not a Trump supporter, but would not call myself a Trump hater. I think there is a certain misperception about Trump supporters among devout Trump haters. They think he is the devil, hence his supporters must be demons.

There are plenty of people out there who at least semi-support Trump but still cringe at, for example, his Billy Bush tape. The Trump haters seem to think that either you have to hate Trump, or worship him. It can be somewhere in the middle.
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Old 11-19-2018, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I'm no fan of Trump, but do you know what scares me more than Trump? His base ignoring all his in-consistences and outright lies as well as his attacks on the media. You can still be a solid Trump supporter and challenge your president on what he says or does. Any media coverage Trump doesn't like, he immediately claims it's fake news, and the scary thing is most of his supporters believe him. People for years couldn't believe how Germany's weak democracy turned into a Fascist dictatorship in the 1930's, I believe one of the first steps is discrediting the media, which in turn leads to citizen's not questioning there own government. The news is Fake? Oh what is the truth oh mighty Trump? A certain ethic group the cause of all our economic woes? We should pass laws to limit there influence in our country? Concentration camps you say?

Fortunately United States is a Strong democracy, I don't see the county falling victim to Fascist rule any time soon, but the lack of public outcry over Trumps obvious lies, miss representing the facts, inconsistencies in his policies, not to mention Trump character flaws scares me far more than anything that comes out of Trumps mouth.
Poor you.. did CNN scare you and program you with propaganda .





The globalists are programming you .. their goal is to take away your brain..put in their thinking , and then get you to go along with breaking the law,, that is ok. putting illegals before Americans safety. Hate for America.. no assimilation, no borders, eventually they will want the population to be cut down and they will unleash epidemics, sickness to kill off many .. The globalists have a world plan.. it is in play and has been for decades now.. they want to merge socialism with capitalism. The want collectivism , not individualism. Of course you have been trained not to think about what the globalists who took over the democratic party, MSM and many don't even know what they are supporting.. they just go along like a pawn.



The globalists want to destroy the middleclass. they are the ones who can organize and fight the globalists.. they want to disarm Americans.. they want to have a one currency in the world.. they want to bring America down to the third world standards .. they want to bankrupt us bringing in socialism . They want a one world governing body in place. This means destroy the identity or any loyalty to country. They want to destroy our culture, our identity and our sovereignty. They have taken over the democratic party and many don't have a clue to what is really going on. Not a clue!

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Old 11-19-2018, 07:42 PM
 
Location: moved
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The United States is a Constitutional Representative Republic. Not a Democracy.
For the umpteenth time, the difference between a "constitutional representative republic", and a representative (as opposed to direct) democracy, is like the difference between dark-gray and light-black.
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Old 11-19-2018, 07:43 PM
 
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But it's you guys casting contempt & hate towards 10s of millions of your fellow Americans simply because of what you "imagine". This speaks for itself.

Sorry, I'm not sure what you're talking about. But, yes, I would feel contempt toward those who are mean, bigoted, money-grubbing people supporting a lying bully.

That's called "having standards."
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