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The Constitution does not mention anything about assault style weapons. Is it not true that the weapons of the time were 'flintlock' that shot one at a time, and could take minutes to reload?
Assault style weapons can hold 30 ammunition bullets, and are designed for mass slaughter. In my view that goes against the 5th & 14th Amendment's requirement of 'due process,' and violates the spirit of the Declaration's "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" clause.
It is odd that you are still continuing this obviously false account. What is the objective of pretending to be this ignorant?
Just because someone can prevent you from exercising your natural right to self defense doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
If someone prevents a woman from having an abortion, does that make Roe v Wade null and void?
Did that slave being whipped not have a natural human right to escape or otherwise prevent being whipped if he could?
Say you and I are the last two people on Earth after some natural disaster.....
Now, being that I'm well over 6 foot and a hair shy of 240 lbs......chances are better than average that I'm bigger and stronger than you are. ....(maybe you're bigger, doesn't really matter)
If I decide that you have stuff that I want and I'm willing to beat you ....or worse to get it....
Do you have a natural right to defend yourself from me in any way you can?
Keep in mind there are no police to call.
No courts to convict me.
Do you or do you not have a right to defend yourself and your property against me?
The definition of "Natural" is:
existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind.
Well we don't see the natural world engaging in or enforcing any form of rights. This would mean that natural rights must come from God. The problem is now you have to prove God exists. To sum it up, there is no such thing as "natural rights". All "rights" are nothing more then a social construct.
existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind.
Well we don't see the natural world engaging in or enforcing any form of rights. This would mean that natural rights must come from God. The problem is now you have to prove God exists. To sum it up, there is no such thing as "natural rights". All "rights" are nothing more then a social construct.
You don't seem to understand, at all, the concept that you are attempting to discuss.
existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind.
Well we don't see the natural world engaging in or enforcing any form of rights. This would mean that natural rights must come from God. The problem is now you have to prove God exists. To sum it up, there is no such thing as "natural rights". All "rights" are nothing more then a social construct.
Maybe the word "rights" as it is defined by a typical statist isn't the right way to describe the concept.
Because a typical statist can't wrap their heads around the idea that anything can happen outside of government.
But it exists nonetheless.
Natural rights don't need to be "enforced" to exist.
How about answering the question posed in the post you quoted:
In the absence of government, do you have a natural right to defend yourself against me if I try to attack you?
I'm not asking you if you have a right to succeed in defending yourself.....just that you have a right to try to defend yourself.
We do posses Natural Rights as human being whether you believe in a "Creator" or not. One of them is the right to self defense from predators. The tool used to defend is irrelevant. The fact remains that we are not meant to be defenseless.
Maybe the word "rights" as it is defined by a typical statist isn't the right way to describe the concept.
Because a typical statist can't wrap their heads around the idea that anything can happen outside of government.
But it exists nonetheless.
Natural rights don't need to be "enforced" to exist.
How about answering the question posed in the post you quoted:
In the absence of government, do you have a natural right to defend yourself against me if I try to attack you?
I'm not asking you if you have a right to succeed in defending yourself.....just that you have a right to try to defend yourself.
The "statist" mindset, that rights are allotted by government could be the issue, but his misunderstanding seems to be on a very fundamental level.
Rights exist as an abstract concept in the minds of humans. If all humans were wiped off the face of the earth by a giant comet. Where would rights go? Who would dictate what is and is not a "natural right"?
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Originally Posted by FatBob96
How about answering the question posed in the post you quoted:
In the absence of government, do you have a natural right to defend yourself against me if I try to attack you?
I'm not asking you if you have a right to succeed in defending yourself.....just that you have a right to try to defend yourself.
I can believe I have a right to defend myself and die
I can believe I have a right to defend myself and live
I can believe I do not have the right to defend myself and die
I can believe I do not have the right to defend myself and live
Whatever option I choose seems to have zero impact on the end result.
Also since there is an absence of government or any human society there is no repercussions for my actions or beliefs. So what I believe is technically pointless to this premise.
Also your position requires an axiomatic belief in God for the question to make sense. I don't believe in God.
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