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Old 11-23-2018, 05:57 PM
 
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Always post the right wing idiocy.

The kids are natural born Americans and able to be the President.

There are numerous studies pointing out that the costs of the illegal aliens net to around zero. The use of the cost of educating US citizen children is simply the right wing way to falsify the total.

And as I pointed out the other day the cost of removing the illegal aliens in the dairy industry alone exceeds 50 billion a year. And the cost of removing the illegals will disrupt the economy to even greater levels than that.

So it is not going to happen. And if the right wing would stop their idiot blockage we might get the problem fixed before it gets any worse.
What you're saying isn't logical. The point is that the children incurring these costs were born to parents who are here illegally. If the parents hadn't been allowed to remain here then we wouldn't be incurring these costs.
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Old 11-23-2018, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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https://www.hlc.org/news/more-physic...care-patients/

This will increase over time. State run health care is not only theft of services, it is a slow rolling disaster that ends up killing people through accumulated implicit inefficiency. So “Medicaire works just fine” is simply a denial of reality. Medicaire is a fail, both in theory and in practice. It needs to be abolished in favor of a free and private system.
Do you bother to read your own cite?

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Now, 81 percent of family doctors will take on seniors on Medicare, a survey by the American Academy of Family Physicians found. That figure was 83 percent in 2010.
Some 2.9 percent of family doctors have dropped out of Medicare altogether. In 2010, 2.8 percent reported taking this dramatic step.
More doctors are practicing on a “concierge” or cash basis. Four percent of family practitioners now work on that model. That’s higher than the 3 percent in 2010.
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No it will not increase in the long run. Simply resolve the rates.

And I think all this points out one of the idiocies in the system. We need simply pay the MD or however a reasonable salary and stop all this absurd billing overhead.

One of the reasons why we lose to the single payer countries. We spend immense amounts of money doing the billing.
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Old 11-23-2018, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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What you're saying isn't logical. The point is that the children incurring these costs were born to parents who are here illegally. If the parents hadn't been allowed to remain here then we wouldn't be incurring these costs.
Actually if the parents are deported the cost goes up. The kids remain behind as they are not deport-able. And they become legitimate welfare clients. So we pay even more money for their sustenance as they are kept by relatives or friends.

And we do not visit the offenses of parents on their children. Went out with the old testament.
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Old 11-23-2018, 06:17 PM
 
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Actually if the parents are deported the cost goes up. The kids remain behind as they are not deport-able. And they become legitimate welfare clients. So we pay even more money for their sustenance as they are kept by relatives or friends.

And we do not visit the offenses of parents on their children. Went out with the old testament.
Jesus Christ.....IF THE PARENTS HADN'T BEEN ALLOWED TO STAY HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE THESE KIDS ON OUR HANDS. AND THAT'S WHY WE SHOULD ENFORCE OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS. Instead of passing more and more amnesties and giving illegal aliens free healthcare and encouraging more of this.

It's a regular brain trust around this place.....
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Old 11-23-2018, 06:37 PM
 
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Do you bother to read your own cite?

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Now, 81 percent of family doctors will take on seniors on Medicare, a survey by the American Academy of Family Physicians found. That figure was 83 percent in 2010.
Some 2.9 percent of family doctors have dropped out of Medicare altogether. In 2010, 2.8 percent reported taking this dramatic step.
More doctors are practicing on a “concierge” or cash basis. Four percent of family practitioners now work on that model. That’s higher than the 3 percent in 2010.
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No it will not increase in the long run. Simply resolve the rates.

And I think all this points out one of the idiocies in the system. We need simply pay the MD or however a reasonable salary and stop all this absurd billing overhead.

One of the reasons why we lose to the single payer countries. We spend immense amounts of money doing the billing.
You are cherrypicking. But did you bother to read your re-statement of the cite? 19% of all family practitioners will not take Medicaire, up from 17% in 2010. So 1 in 5 family doctors will turn you down. And guess who those doctors are? The good ones. 20% is HUGE AS IT IS.

Here is another article for you to desperately pore over, looking for loopholes. Same theme here overall, doctors will bail out on Medicaire as time goes on, reimbursement rates go down, and paperwork and directives go up.

Medicaire is a disaster, and it’s getting worse, and seniors will be required to pay more and more as time goes on.
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Old 11-23-2018, 06:39 PM
 
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Actually if the parents are deported the cost goes up. The kids remain behind as they are not deport-able. And they become legitimate welfare clients. So we pay even more money for their sustenance as they are kept by relatives or friends.

And we do not visit the offenses of parents on their children. Went out with the old testament.
We need to start now. Then the problem will dissipate over time. Starting today, we should enact a merit-based immigration policy and close the border to invasion by present or future illegal aliens.
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Old 11-23-2018, 06:45 PM
 
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Jesus Christ.....IF THE PARENTS HADN'T BEEN ALLOWED TO STAY HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE THESE KIDS ON OUR HANDS. AND THAT'S WHY WE SHOULD ENFORCE OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS. Instead of passing more and more amnesties and giving illegal aliens free healthcare and encouraging more of this.

It's a regular brain trust around this place.....

Not only that but what loving parent would leave their children behind if they are deported? The parents have the option of taking them with them or leaving them here parentless. What kind of parents would choose the latter? These kids are free to leave with their parents. That's not deporting them, duh.
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Old 11-23-2018, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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We need to start now. Then the problem will dissipate over time. Starting today, we should enact a merit-based immigration policy and close the border to invasion by present or future illegal aliens.
For about the 200th time the only rational way to get the immigration system back under control is to legalize most of the 11 million here. We are inevitably going to do so. The only question is when.

Without doing so we have this built in support system for illegals and an immigration system overloaded past any reasonable functioning. It could well be that a number of the caravan end up successful illegal immigrants. That is because are immigration system is so overloaded that they have years to establish themselves in the US before their case comes up. And if they think they are likely to lose they do not show up. Simple.

And stop with the nonsense. The vast majority of illegals now comes in by air not over the border.
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Old 11-23-2018, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Not only that but what loving parent would leave their children behind if they are deported? The parents have the option of taking them with them or leaving them here parentless. What kind of parents would choose the latter? These kids are free to leave with their parents. That's not deporting them, duh.
Any loving parent who values the kids upbringing and believes they would do better educated in the States than in the home country. There may be a few that have no one who they trust to care for their kid but my guess is up way over 75%
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Old 11-23-2018, 07:09 PM
 
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For about the 200th time the only rational way to get the immigration system back under control is to legalize most of the 11 million here. We are inevitably going to do so. The only question is when.

Without doing so we have this built in support system for illegals and an immigration system overloaded past any reasonable functioning. It could well be that a number of the caravan end up successful illegal immigrants. That is because are immigration system is so overloaded that they have years to establish themselves in the US before their case comes up. And if they think they are likely to lose they do not show up. Simple.

And stop with the nonsense. The vast majority of illegals now comes in by air not over the border.
You conclude that this is the "only rational way" but you provide no evidence to back up this conclusion. Absolutely none.
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