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I am sorry, but if the POLICE grenade blows off the hand of a protestor, this is not "Democrat Socialism" at work.
This is capitalism at work in this case, since police protects the ruling class.
Interest rate is going up, Trump might have to do what Macron did. I can see their base will defend that and blame it on the left. The news are not going to say it, but as it becomes clear that the real issue is rich vs poor, hopefully people see their biases and recognized they have been played from both sides.
I can already see people "gotta pay them tax". In other words getting ram in the ***, while rich people get millions in tax breaks.
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Originally Posted by Spartacus713
So, the debate is over and that's it. I hope you realize how much that stance discredits whatever point it is you are trying to make a "safe space" for.
If you'd like to counter argue what I said go ahead. Projecting a meaningless phrase to me is not an argument.
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Originally Posted by erasure
Well it's up for debate, because it would be interesting to hear the opinions from both sides; what people think about the origins of the globalism and what they imply by it.
Define "practically everyone please" and why "everyone" would support it?
The way I see it, if it's "rich vs poor," it's a left wing protest by default.
80% percent of the people support it, so labeling left or right is non-sense and the French don't want to hear it. The news are only showing the protest and don't let people talk. Their message is wide, but what stand out for me is "the president of the rich" gives tax breaks for the rich and higher taxes for working people.
The left is a party of the rich as much as the right, California is the perfect example.
I am starting to suspect the left/right biases is some type of disease you all are infected with.
I am sorry, but if the POLICE grenade blows off the hand of a protestor, this is not "Democrat Socialism" at work.
This is capitalism at work in this case, since police protects the ruling class.
Sadly, the ruling class are the left and right elites. These are the people that care nothing about the common man. For years, they have traded barbs at each other during election time and solve nothing when in power. It has happened so often that people just shrug their shoulder as if to say that is business as usual.
That is why a thrice-divorced, narcissistic, easily-triggered billionaire from the country's most liberal city was elected President on a simple message and on the strength of people living in places that are too unimportant to the elite to be called anything but flyover land.
That is why the people of a former wold power now a diminishing island nation turned down billions of funds from a supranational state to run their own affairs.
That is why, a former communist country once ruled by a corrupt, inept, iron fist government turned to the same type of iron fist government to protect their identity.
That is why protesters were out in the streets in France and why the man hailed less than 2 years ago as the savior of liberalism has an approval rating of less than 20%.
Fifty years ago, it became that the former age was going to give way to the age of liberalism. After Occupy Wall Street and the 2008 depression, it is now clear that the age of liberalism will give way.
Interest rate is going up, Trump might have to do what Macron did. I can see their base will defend that and blame it on the left. The news are not going to say it, but as it becomes clear that the real issue is rich vs poor, hopefully people see their biases and recognized they have been played from both sides.
I can already see people "gotta pay them tax". In other words getting ram in the ***, while rich people get millions in tax breaks.
If you'd like to counter argue what I said go ahead. Projecting a meaningless phrase to me is not an argument.
80% percent of the people support it, so labeling left or right is non-sense and the French don't want to hear it. The news are only showing the protest and don't let people talk. Their message is wide, but what stand out for me is "the president of the rich" gives tax breaks for the rich and higher taxes for working people.
The left is a party of the rich as much as the right, California is the perfect example.
I am starting to suspect the left/right biases is some type of disease you all are infected with.
Exactly. Last week it was decided that almost all newly-constructed houses must have solar. Add another 10,000 on the cost of the house.
Interest rate is going up, Trump might have to do what Macron did. I can see their base will defend that and blame it on the left. The news are not going to say it, but as it becomes clear that the real issue is rich vs poor, hopefully people see their biases and recognized they have been played from both sides.
I can already see people "gotta pay them tax". In other words getting ram in the ***, while rich people get millions in tax breaks.
If you'd like to counter argue what I said go ahead. Projecting a meaningless phrase to me is not an argument.
80% percent of the people support it, so labeling left or right is non-sense and the French don't want to hear it. The news are only showing the protest and don't let people talk. Their message is wide, but what stand out for me is "the president of the rich" gives tax breaks for the rich and higher taxes for working people.
The left is a party of the rich as much as the right, California is the perfect example.
I am starting to suspect the left/right biases is some type of disease you all are infected with.
Left wing parties you are right, but ideology is a different case:
Order seems to be support for those in power, which are the rich. In case of right wing revolts (there are few) like the Nazis they happen through the system and are not in opposition to the current power, but find it necessary to increase that current power rather than oppose it (Wiemar Germany was a right wing state for private capitalist, pro-Eugenics, and it was militaristic).
Actually read the french press, not the American BS artists who want to use this to show US imperialism is popular.
Liberals and Conservatives are desperate to tell Americans these protests are far right so they can argue that actual grass roots left wing activism is non-existent.
The truth is these people hate the rich corporate and state powers Macron serves and that is a threat to the democrats and republicans who need to feed people their lies:
I don't read any press. The French press is no more reality than the American press. I generally try to find what normal people caught in the fray have to say. One thing about our "tech" society is that the truth can now easily be loaded onto Youtube most of the time. The press is last century's way of spreading propaganda. They're dead and irrelevant. They will remain irrelevant until every camera phone is taken away from every citizen. The press never reports anything that is important and what they do report is doctored and sanitized to push an agenda. What makes you think any of them are telling the truth? And I say that pointing a finger at BOTH sides of the political spectrum. Watch REAL events (as in unedited video and audio), analyze, and make your own mind up.
These protests are anti-government-tyranny. That's all that matters right now. Government tyranny comes from both the rich and the poor. There are no angels.
Americans are ruining this movement with their analysis.
Conservatives are saying this is a pro-Trump anti-climate change movement calling for less taxes and immigration.
Liberals are saying this is a far right movement backed by Russia and a sign of how we must rally behind the establishment.
The truth is this is an actual left wing movement that is calling for democratic worker councils, lower rent and taxes on the working class, and less control of capital by corporations.
Real left wing populism is foriegn to Americans who only know only what their elite tell them.
Bernie Sanders like Obama, would be "right wing" in France.
Sadly, the ruling class are the left and right elites. These are the people that care nothing about the common man. For years, they have traded barbs at each other during election time and solve nothing when in power. It has happened so often that people just shrug their shoulder as if to say that is business as usual.
That is why a thrice-divorced, narcissistic, easily-triggered billionaire from the country's most liberal city was elected President on a simple message and on the strength of people living in places that are too unimportant to the elite to be called anything but flyover land.
That is why the people of a former wold power now a diminishing island nation turned down billions of funds from a supranational state to run their own affairs.
That is why, a former communist country once ruled by a corrupt, inept, iron fist government turned to the same type of iron fist government to protect their identity.
That is why protesters were out in the streets in France and why the man hailed less than 2 years ago as the savior of liberalism has an approval rating of less than 20%.
Fifty years ago, it became that the former age was going to give way to the age of liberalism. After Occupy Wall Street and the 2008 depression, it is now clear that the age of liberalism will give way.
Yet surprisingly enough those protesting in France now ( and we are talking about France in this case) are unanimously left.
So it looks like the "left" elite doesn't represent them any longer?
How come?
I don't care what France is doing. Let them deal with their own issues.
Englands Brexit is looking more and more wise by the day on so many levels.
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