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Old 11-28-2018, 07:24 AM
 
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You obviously have reading comprehension problems meshed with fantasy. Nobody here has said what you implied.
I think you said exactly that. Women can just "stand up" and leave. And of course Newtovenice believes every woman who is a victim is weak and has the ability to just "stand up" and leave or never be in a situation vulnerable to abuse. The poster is pointing out one of the complexities. Women who are SAHMs or have little income or income potential feel stuck. They dont have the means to "stand up" and leave. They dont want their children in poverty, living in shelters, facing uncertainty, fearing abduction. On top of that they are often being told for years by their abuser that they cant make it on their own, that they are weak and stupid, and no one will believe them or help them, that they deserve their punishment. Often people feel it is better to stick with the devil you know.
Same with children who are being abused. They could always "stand up" and tell someone. A neighbor, a teacher, bus driver, friend, family member. But they fear their abuser, they fear the unknown, they fear not being believed.
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Old 11-28-2018, 07:29 AM
 
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Those women aren't screeching and marching about it.

How much mainstream media coverage do you see about the abuse of children? We sure saw plenty about the screeching of celebs who went to their directors hotel rooms claiming to expect choirboy behavior.
What do you feel screeching and marching and mainstream media coverage will do to stop child abuse?
Do you think people are not aware of it or dont know to report suspicion. Do you think it will stop abusers or make more people call in reports on neighbors and strangers for everything that they consider abuse. Seeing a child with a bruise, waiting on the bus alone, playing in the yard alone, getting a spanking, being yelled at?
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Old 11-28-2018, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Marquette, Mich
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Strength is standing up for yourself before abuse starts. And that means taking personal responsibility. THAT is how women are strong. Not because they are victims.

it is very clear that YOU cannot see that. Because being a victim? Means you are weak. /shrug/ but keep the victim mentality going. See how far you get in life.

PS: You have no clue what my experience has been, and the fact that you are basing an argument on a fictional persona shows .. well .. you really have no argument. And it's the go-to move for a lot of posters here when they have nothing to say.

Wow, you sound really angry. Maybe this is all triggering something internal for you.



Strength comes in many, many forms. And people find themselves in circumstances they never imagined, invited, encouraged, or wanted. Abuse is wrong. Whether the victim is a woman, a child, a man--it is wrong.



You seem to be especially upset that women are getting attention for their abuse. Why is that? Even if some of these women are embellishing, there are many, many who are not. They are speaking out to make it so other women don't feel they have to hide anymore. They are trying to overcome the shaming and the guilting. The "what were you wearing?" & "did you drink?" type questions that imply women are to blame. You can't see how having someone stand up and publicly say, "It happened to me," might make someone feel less alone, less isolated? I mean, even if it wouldn't work for YOU, it may help someone else. That is a positive.



And if you are so up in arms about child abuse, why would you want to stop a woman from trying to make us all talk about ending abuse? No woman is out there saying she's more important than all the children. No woman is out there taking resources from children who are abused. We are trying to create a culture where everyone is safe (and before anyone goes off the deep end, I do know that will never happen, but it's what we strive for). There is a need for a culture change, and just because you don't wanna doesn't mean it isn't worth it.
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Old 11-28-2018, 08:24 AM
 
Location: The analog world
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Its political. Adults have a means to “stand up†and leave. Children dont. Now, hand over the spotlight.
Who exactly are you addressing here, and what power do you think the women responding have to hand over the spotlight?
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Old 11-28-2018, 08:39 AM
 
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Those women aren't screeching and marching about it.

How much mainstream media coverage do you see about the abuse of children? We sure saw plenty about the screeching of celebs who went to their directors hotel rooms claiming to expect choirboy behavior.
What kind of coverage do you want?

The names and photos of children who have been abused are not published to protect the privacy of the child victims.

I can think of several news stories about abused children I've read over the last year. What will typically happen is that there will be a story when local law enforcement announces an arrest of the parents. There is no further coverage because these children are (getting the care and counseling that they need, and going on a media tour isn't and shouldn't be a part of that.

An adult woman is competent to make the decision whether or not to share private details of her life in public and accept the risk that entails. An eight year old who has been abused and neglected is not.

The Sandusky and Larry Nassar abuse cases received enormous media attention - because those former child victims were now adults and thus able to make the decision to come forward and tell their stories.

Do you want photo of abused children on the front page of Huffington Post? Do you want the children's names, and graphic descriptions of their suffering? Would that make you happy? Do you care what it would do to those children, or is it worth it to abuse them all over again in the name of scoring points against "screeching women".
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Old 11-28-2018, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Florida
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You obviously have reading comprehension problems meshed with fantasy. Nobody here has said what you implied.
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant in other threads, not in this thread. It was just a general observation.
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Old 11-28-2018, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Don't try to make this an either/or issue. It's not.
For many people, many issues are either/or.
Lots of binary thinkers on this board.

Tell us OP, how would you like to see this issue covered in the MSM?
What solutions do you have to offer?

Are you planning to start some sort of movement to draw more attention to this issue?

Inquiring minds...
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Old 11-28-2018, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Yet, the msm rarely mentions this. Women (adults) victims take precedence. Ladies, give up the spotlight just once. Its all about politics and you ahould know it.
Yeah I hate to see anyone abused but when children are abused, I get so enraged and want to see harm to anyone that would harm kids.
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Old 11-28-2018, 09:28 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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You haven't been paying attention outside of your own disinformation bubble.

Try reading up on the subject.
Or, you know, watching any current DATELINE or rerun.


It's like the OP is JUST discovering that child abuse exists.
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Old 11-28-2018, 01:32 PM
 
Location: The analog world
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Hey, Saltine, I found something that might interest you. Posted today at The Atlantic website by Caitlin Flanagan...

The ‘Satanic Evil’ of Child Sex Abuse in the Catholic Church
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