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Old 12-01-2018, 10:07 AM
 
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Congress actually is the source of all power. Congress creates the Federal agencies such as the Justice Department, Congress funds the agencies, approves nominations to run agencies and has oversight on how each and every Federal Agency is run, if they choose to exercise it.

Congress can remove an agency from the control of the president with enough votes. Congress has the potential (assuming enough votes to override a presidential veto) to curtail the power of the president if need be, and also remove him from office in extreme circumstances.

The Department of Justice was created by the congress in 1868 (long after the constitution was written), is funded by the congress and it's work is monitored by the congress. The Congress certainly can protect the office of special counsel, or even re-appoint him to an office under their own control.

Many people (apparently Trump included, until recently) do not understand the true nature of the presidency. He is not like some medieval king, and that was a deliberate choice of the founding fathers, who by the way, gathered into a body known to us today as the Continental Congress and laid out the foundations of our current government.

There is the theory and there are the facts. Thanks for the theory. But the facts are the congress is too lazy to do its job and has given some of its responsibility voluntarily to the executive branch.

The DOJ has thumbed its nose at congress and rejected oversight from it. Again congress weak and pathetic does nothing. DAG Rosenstein will show up for a hearing if he feels like it and lately he doesn't feel like it.

 
Old 12-01-2018, 10:15 AM
 
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I guess Flake saw the writing on the wall, and will turn dem after his term is up.
That is not even possible. He does not share the values of Democrats, he is 100% dyed in the wool conservative Republican and always has been.

Check out his voting record and ratings.

His only path forward (assuming he has further political ambitions even now) is a re-vitalized Republican party after the Trump interregnum is over. I think Paul Ryan may be looking at it the same way.

Flake Burns 21 Conservative Judicial Nominees To Protect Mueller-jeff-flake-positions-_1.jpg

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Old 12-01-2018, 10:20 AM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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Good for him. At least someone in the Senate has balls.

EXACTLY...about the only FASCIST Republican who is not a Trump-BUTT-KISSER!He will be sorely missed.
 
Old 12-01-2018, 10:38 AM
 
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Flake like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, need to just go away!
 
Old 12-01-2018, 10:45 AM
 
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Flakes are the size of BBs
Oh come now. You just wish you were as handsome as Flake is.
 
Old 12-01-2018, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Corona del Mar, CA - Coronado, CA
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Congress actually is the source of all power. Congress creates the Federal agencies such as the Justice Department, Congress funds the agencies, approves nominations to run agencies and has oversight on how each and every Federal Agency is run, if they choose to exercise it.

I think you need to reread the Constitution. The President has Article II, section 2 powers to create agencies.


I think we will see some interesting rulings on independent federal agencies in the coming days at SCOTUS.
 
Old 12-01-2018, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Well, thats how politics work. People have their own best interest in mind, not the best interest of the country, or doing their jobs.
Except Sen. Flake does have the best interests of the country in mind. He also knows that history will look kindly upon him for his patriotism and duty to the Constitution, while the simpering sycophants who blindly support all things Trump will not.
 
Old 12-01-2018, 12:31 PM
 
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Does Flake seriously think Trump will remove Mueller?
Flake must have a serious drug problem, or suffering from dementia?
 
Old 12-01-2018, 01:03 PM
 
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Except Sen. Flake does have the best interests of the country in mind. He also knows that history will look kindly upon him for his patriotism and duty to the Constitution, while the simpering sycophants who blindly support all things Trump will not.
Blindly blocking a bunch of judges because he disagrees about a completely unrelated issue isn't really "the best interest" other than his own because he wants to show he is anti-Trump.
 
Old 12-01-2018, 01:05 PM
 
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Blindly blocking a bunch of judges because he disagrees about a completely unrelated issue isn't really "the best interest" other than his own because he wants to show he is anti-Trump.
Guess politicians will be politicians. They don't always act the way we want them to.
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