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Old 12-01-2018, 05:09 PM
 
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Doesn't really matter.



In 2 months, Trump will be able to confirm anyone he wants.

 
Old 12-01-2018, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Mitch like Harry before him has bent the Senate to his will. Reality. Politics is not some Disney classic fairy tale.
The difference is that Reed was up front, he didn’t use some constitutional fairy tale for an excuse.
 
Old 12-01-2018, 06:21 PM
 
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Always the partisan hack I see.

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The difference is that Reed was up front, he didn’t use some constitutional fairy tale for an excuse.
 
Old 12-01-2018, 06:33 PM
 
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Good for him. At least someone in the Senate has balls.


now if only 49 more were like him
 
Old 12-02-2018, 12:29 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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What a sack of dirt. I can't wait until he and other hostile GOPers are gone from the Senate. We're likely to gain another hostile in Romney, but will still have 50 votes (51 with Pence as tie breaker) even if Romney, Collins, and Murkowski all balk at a nominee come 2019.
 
Old 12-02-2018, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Corona del Mar, CA - Coronado, CA
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Absolutely ! Flake has shown courage a few times in his career. How anyone would not want Mueller to be able to complete his work is beyond me...……..unless, of course, you are Trump or one of his Trumpees. They fear the outcome will not be exactly what we might call "good" for Trump.
Here is what so many seem to not get. Thinking that Flake stalling confirmations is the only way we'll get to see the Mueller probe end of its own accord is mental. The two are not related.

You can want the judges confirmed and Mueller to finish his work at the same time. The two things are not related.
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Unfortunately, this is the position Trump has put people in. If he would just do his job and go about his business and let the investigation run its course, there wouldn't be these types of issues.
Trump has let the investigation run its course. What has he done to stop it? The White House has sent over tens of thousands of documents, millions of pages, made everyone the Special Counsel has asked for available, and on and on.
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So give him the bill. What can it hurt? Believe me, Flake isn't the only one on the hill who doesn't do his duties, lol.
It would hurt because it would be unconstitutional. It would hurt because it is a complete waste of time.
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Clearly he learned all about that from Mitch McConnell.
McConnell is a rank amateur compared to Harry Reid, George Mitchell, Tom Daschle and LBJ.
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The difference is that Reed was up front, he didn’t use some constitutional fairy tale for an excuse.
Reid was never upfront. He told lies, cheated and stole his way to the top.
 
Old 12-02-2018, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Always the partisan hack I see.
Just stating a fact.
 
Old 12-02-2018, 06:30 PM
 
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Here is what so many seem to not get. Thinking that Flake stalling confirmations is the only way we'll get to see the Mueller probe end of its own accord is mental. The two are not related.

You can want the judges confirmed and Mueller to finish his work at the same time. The two things are not related.

Trump has let the investigation run its course. What has he done to stop it? The White House has sent over tens of thousands of documents, millions of pages, made everyone the Special Counsel has asked for available, and on and on.

It would hurt because it would be unconstitutional. It would hurt because it is a complete waste of time.

McConnell is a rank amateur compared to Harry Reid, George Mitchell, Tom Daschle and LBJ.

Reid was never upfront. He told lies, cheated and stole his way to the top.
Sure Trump has let the investigation run its course. For now. And that's only because of the outcry against him were he to do anything else. But there is nothing stopping him from firing Mueller at any time. He's hot headed and irrational enough to do it. Please tell me how a bill protecting Mueller is unconstitutional. I don't think "waste of time" counts.
 
Old 12-02-2018, 07:04 PM
 
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Good on him.
 
Old 12-03-2018, 05:40 AM
 
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Congress actually is the source of all power. Congress creates the Federal agencies such as the Justice Department, Congress funds the agencies, approves nominations to run agencies and has oversight on how each and every Federal Agency is run, if they choose to exercise it.

Congress can remove an agency from the control of the president with enough votes. Congress has the potential (assuming enough votes to override a presidential veto) to curtail the power of the president if need be, and also remove him from office in extreme circumstances.

The Department of Justice was created by the congress in 1868 (long after the constitution was written), is funded by the congress and it's work is monitored by the congress. The Congress certainly can protect the office of special counsel, or even re-appoint him to an office under their own control.

Many people (apparently Trump included, until recently) do not understand the true nature of the presidency. He is not like some medieval king, and that was a deliberate choice of the founding fathers, who by the way, gathered into a body known to us today as the Continental Congress and laid out the foundations of our current government.
"Congress actually is the source of all power."

I respectfully disagree.

The President is the CHIEF EXECUTOR of the United States and the Commander in Chief of ALL the military and in those roles has a LOT of power.

Obama null and voided MANY items specifically laid out in law through Executive Orders and Memorandums.

IF Congress wants to challenge those orders they have to go to the courts, They CANNOT just say "he can't do that" and the order is revoked.

"Congress can remove an agency from the control of the president with enough votes"

They CANNOT.
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