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I dated an Indian that lived on the reservation. He had a job but never learned to drive - thankfully I did. Went to his house once and I couldn't believe how his family lived - but as was stated - they received money each month from the gov't and used it for food and booze. Material things meant nothing to them.
I've since worked with many Indians who left the reservation - they wanted to better themselves - but after growing up dependent on those monthly checks - most ended up moving back to the reservation where they could park a trailer rent free and collect the monthly checks again. Not all are like that - but they have no drive plus the one Federation here has 3 casinos - despite all the big wigs being Indian - there is little support and money going back to the reservation.
Past racial grievances don't build office buildings or lay technology infrastructure. Money, energy and time do that. Revisiting the sins Manifest Destiny doesn't build schools or attract graduate and post graduate intellect to tribal lands. Money, energy and time do that. Basically, quit crying and get to work. What redevelops neighborhoods in non-tribal towns/cities? All of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton's whining put together over 40 years hasn't accomplished as much for improving urban neighborhoods as young professionals trying to buy cheap real estate and make a buck has. But those young professionals RISK bucks to make the bigger ones. Money, time and energy must be spent.
A better part of a post I've rarely read. That about sums up the problem with professional victimhood.
After the Holocaust the Jews were quite the decimated people. They asked for, and fought for, a nation. And made a lot of it, as well as continued succeeding elsewhere in the world. The Jews are the ultimate minority group yet you don't find degrading poverty. Except in Chasidic areas where the "rebbes" rob them blind.
The Chinese fleeing from stultifying restrictions in their country have done quite well; well enough that Harvard feels the need to discriminate against Asians. All that they ask for, in Court, is the same opportunities everyone else has; not subsidies. See Harvard Affirmative Action Trial Ends, But Lawsuit Is Far From Over.
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Why the NA folks on various reservations won't spend the money, time and energy is a mystery to me. They have a degree of autonomy with their own land that no other Americans possess, and yet they seem to do very, very little with that autonomy. It is kind of baffling, truth be told.
The band leaders enjoy spending the money too much. Much like Third World dictators and Arab potentates. The people don't fare quite as well.
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I dated an Indian that lived on the reservation. He had a job but never learned to drive - thankfully I did. Went to his house once and I couldn't believe how his family lived - but as was stated - they received money each month from the gov't and used it for food and booze. Material things meant nothing to them.
I've since worked with many Indians who left the reservation - they wanted to better themselves - but after growing up dependent on those monthly checks - most ended up moving back to the reservation where they could park a trailer rent free and collect the monthly checks again. Not all are like that - but they have no drive plus the one Federation here has 3 casinos - despite all the big wigs being Indian - there is little support and money going back to the reservation.
there is little support and money going back to the reservation.
I was reading a bit about something of the like when the thread died out ... never did zero in the cause, but I do speculate, when they get fed money, their leaders squirrel it away. That was the feel I got from what I was reading on at the time, but, not to say their leaders don't booze it away either ... 200 years of living with 'others' encroaching on what use to be there's, can't be psychologically easy. Hard to stand with pride after you get kicked in the nuts ...
Tribes don't share their casino money with other tribes. So much for the myth of the noble savage, huh? They're just like everyone else, even those horrible white people.,
What do they produce?
They don't even grow crops to feed themselves?
What value are they to the rest of America?
Geesh. Many do raise crops and/or livestock. Many are healthcare providers of one sort or another. Some are various times of engineers, retail workers, etc.
Good grief! Come visit. Turn off the TV. Stay off the 'net. Come visit!
Wierd I lived on the Southern Ute Rez for 35 years and they are pretty mainstream.They even have a DRY casino and nice museum.Live by the Navajo rez now and they are also in the mainstream.Worked all last winter with Navajo framers on a housing project on the rez,damm them guys are good! as a finish Carpenter behind them it was a pleasure to have plumb door jambs and straight walls.They have all but replaced the illigal immigrant sloppy standard we had,made lots of new friends.Even the Ute Mountain Ute tribe west of me is doing OK.Sure there are poor areas just like everywhere else but I live here and and see the good too.Hell I live in rural flyover country and crackup about the stuff I read about ME!
Not all NAs on all reservations are poor. Not all NAs have an alcohol or drugs problem. I could go on.
There is good and bad happening on all reservations.
But if I only watched YouTube videos, maybe I'd ask, "Why is everyone in Detroit, or other major cities, so poor and on drugs, and violent."
This is true to a point. Much depends on the particular reservation. I suppose just like particular neighborhoods in the cities. But a reservation can and often does encompass a huge swath of land. The rez I lived adjacent to most of my life is quite huge. And, if you are non Indian going off the highway into the housing areas is not a good idea if you are unaccompanied. You have a better chance of survival strolling through Harlem in Klan robes.
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