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Originally Posted by hawkeye2009
I think Kennedy was actually a good POTUS (lower taxes, civil rights, space program). Who cares who he was diddling.
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He was diddling a Soviet spy. In addition to diddling a Soviet spy in Britain, JFK is known to have done several Soviet spies in the US, in addition to several suspected Soviet spies.
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Originally Posted by hawkeye2009
Kennedy would not have been able to single handedly start a nuclear war- such decisions are not made by one man
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There was no danger of nuclear war.
Anyone who thinks the Soviets transport nuclear weapons by ships is an misinformed idiot. The Soviets transport nuclear weapons by aircraft, for the exact same reasons the US transports all of its nuclear weapons by aircraft.
The only component of a nuclear missile system transported by ship is the launcher.
Neither the Jupiter nor the SS-4 had launchers, but the SS-5 did.
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Originally Posted by hawkeye2009
No one can keep a secret, which is why conspiracy theories are wrong 99% of the time
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People can and do keep secrets all the time, and that's especially true where fanatics are involved.
The fact that MAFIA families continue to exist after nearly 100 years is proof.
The only reason you know the US attempted three times to murder Iranian Prime Minister Mossadeq is because Iranian students took over the US Embassy Mission and released those documents to the international media, and then a little over 20 years later, your government admitted that and offered a half-fast apology.
If that had not happened, then that conspiracy
would still be secret after nearly 70 years.
Your government has murdered or attempted to murder more than 96 heads-of-State, and the only reason you know that is because your government declassified the documents.
None of the conspirators ever came forward.
Your claim that conspirators would talk is absurd, because both history and reality proves they would not.
95% of the people don't understand conspiracies, because they've never constructed one, or participated in one (and most of them wouldn't know that they had participated in one) or investigated one, and claims that it's "a government conspiracy" or "a CIA conspiracy" are actually psychological warfare propaganda designed to dissuade Americans, precisely because they don't understand the nature of conspiracies.
It wouldn't take thousands, or even hundreds or even dozens of people to pull off 9-11.
I could do that with maybe 8-10 people at the most.
This forum has hard-core fanatics, and so does your government. Some are known, but the majority fly under the radar, even so, I would known them, if not personally, then professionally, and if not professionally then through other means, or I would know who does know them.
Finding someone in the CIA who has contacts with Pakistani ISI who are also known or suspected al-Qaida members or known or suspected al-Qaida sympathizers would be easy.
Pakistani ISI had been using US tax-payer money to buy weapons from Iran, then ship those weapons to Albania, where then al-Qaida lieutenant al-Zawahiri was smuggling them into Bosnia and Kosovo-Metohija since at least 1994, and continuing right up to 1999.
I just need to tell the CIA agent to have his Pakistani ISI agent contact Mohammed Atta and tell him that flying two planes into the World Trade Center would be a most excellent idea, and if the Paksitani ISI agents wants to embellish and suggest that "
Osama bin-Laden told me to tell you to..." then that's even better.
I need someone to convince the Port Authority of New York & New Jersey to move the time-table for the sale of the WTC from 2005 to 2000, so bid specifications will go out in 1999.
I need someone to bid on the sale of the WTC. Larry Silverstein will do, but he doesn't get the winning bid.
So, now I need someone to pressure the Chicago-based reality group that did win the bid to back out of their bid. Their name and reputation will be "mud," so they'll be resistant, but maybe threatening them or their families, or the threat of IRS audits and other government action will convince them. Or maybe I just need to arrange for some form of compensation to offset their future financial losses, since their name will be "mud."
I need someone to convince FBI agent Roger Maltbie to stop investigating terrorist groups and activity in the US.
I need someone in the State Department to let visas slide for the Jedda Group.
I need someone in the Pentagon to arrange a NORAD training exercise, along with an Air Force exercise and a FEMA exercise in New York City to coincide on the same day, 9-11.
I need someone to exert pressure to stop any criminal investigation into 9-11 and expedite debris removal and destruction to hamper any possible criminal investigation into 9-11 to protect the integrity of the conspiracy.
That's pretty much it.
As you can plainly see, it doesn't take a lot of people, and no one knows what anyone else is doing.
The person that pressures the Port Authority of New York & New Jersey to alter the time-table for the sale of the WTC has no idea I've sent a CIA agent to Pakistan, or that I've pressured a realty group to back out of their bid, or influenced someone to halt investigations into terrorist activity in the US, or the concurrence of military and FEMA exercises, or the State Department or anything else,
because they don't need to know.
The only thing each one needs to know is that their job is important, and will somehow be in the best interest of the United States and ultimately further the interests of the United States, and they'll do it, precisely because they're hard-core fanatics and that's what they believe.
That insulates me, and the people below me, and the people below them in the conspiracy, so it's a hard trail to follow and piece together.
That's just how easy it really is.
Contrary to your beliefs, it doesn't takes thousands or even hundreds of people to pull off the Kennedy Assassination.
You need only a handful of people, hard-core fanatics who believe that what they're doing is in the best interest of the US.
You only need some shooters, someone inside the Dallas Secret Service office to pressure a change in drivers, so that JFK isn't driven by his normal driver, and someone inside the Dallas Police Department, like a motorcycle cop who will be part of the motorcade, and one or two others to exert some influence on the after matters.
The motorcycle cop in the motorcade was an unwitting conspirator, like so many in conspiracies.
He wasn't told that JFK would be assassinated, he was simply told to turn on his radio when entering Dealy Plaza and to leave it on until the over-pass was reached.
Again, he wasn't told why, he was simply told to do it, and being a hard-core fanatic, he did exactly that.
If you're a shooter, you cannot stand around in the open with your weapon.
That would be stupid.
People would know you. People, lots of people, hundreds of people even, would be looking at you standing there in the open with everyone watching you with your rifle. Someone might tell a cop, and the conspiracy would be dead in the water.
So, you have to be hidden.
But, if you're hidden, how could you possibly know when JFK is in the kill-zone?
You would know if you had a radio with Dallas Police Department frequencies, and someone keyed the microphone so that you could hear the thrum of the motorcycles and vehicles in the motorcade.
That's why the motorcycle cop turned on his radio, to signal the shooters that JFK was entering the kill-zone.
Why leave it on until the over-pass?
Because so long as that frequency is open, no one can use it.
That means if a Dallas police officer saw one of the shooters, he would be unable to use his radio to communicate that to other police officers, or to the Dallas police station, so long as that frequency is open.
That would buy valuable time for the shooters to make their escape.
The motorcycle cop has always maintained it was an accident, but as Motorola proved to the whole World -- and they did prove it to the whole World because it was most embarrassing for Motorola -- it is totally impossible to accidentally trigger the radio microphone: it can only be done intentionally.
Like I said, the motorcycle cop had no clue JFK would be shot, but once JFK was killed, it probably took him all of two seconds to figure out that he'd been played, and his life-span would be greatly extended so long as he kept his mouth shut.
To protect himself and his children, he'll never say who told him.
Speaking of radios, the Dallas Police Department had dictaphones at the police station that recorded every in-going and out-going telephone call, and every radio transmission.
Two voices using the Dallas frequency were recorded. They were engaging in what we call "cross-talk."
If you want to talk to another cop, you have to request permission from the dispatcher, like
Octagon 1-0, request permission to go direct with 1-2" and the dispatcher will approve or deny, and often when approving, the dispatcher will ask you to switch to another channel, especially during high-traffic periods to prevent blocking communications.
That evening after JFK was shot, the Dallas PD called in each officer and had them listen to the tapes to identify the voices. None could.
The next day, Dallas PD began voice printing all officers to run comparison testing, but none even remotely matched either of the two voices.
After that, it was standard procedure to voice-print new recruits. The Dallas PD recruited across the US in the 1990s, and they came to my home in Cincinnati for an interview, and one question they asked me was if I was willing to give a voice-print. I knew immediately it was in conjunction with the JFK assassination and was surprise they were still doing it, and they said, yes, we still do that.
The voice recordings are at the National Archives, and you can get a copy, but they'll charge you a token fee for it. You used to be able to listen to the recordings on-line for free, but I don't know if you still can.
Some CIA agents and employees, and a few military personnel, along with a handful of non-government people have listened to the recordings and believe that one of the voices is a CIA agent. The CIA claims it had no presence in Dallas on that day.
Officially, they wouldn't claim to have any presence, but that doesn't mean a CIA agent acting of their own volition without authority from the CIA couldn't be there.
There's a trove of evidence that demonstrates conspiracy.
The Single-Bullet Theory is total bull-****, and there used to be a Master's Thesis by an MIT student floating on the internet that disproved it using physics.
The muzzle velocity for the Mannlicher-Carcano is about 1424 feet per second. Once it leaves the muzzle, it starts to decelerate due to the Force of Gravity and friction with the air.
It would have expended a huge amount of energy penetrating Kennedy's back, then traveling a minimum of 18 inches through Kennedy's body before allegedly exiting his throat, which would have resulted in the loss of more energy.
The bullet also would have lost its ballistic characteristics, so that it's now yawing and tumbling through the air at about 480 feet per second.
The wound on Governor Connelly's wrist should have looked like blunt force impact instead of a bullet wound, and the loss of energy penetrating Connelly's wrist and breaking the writ bone prevents the possibility of subsequently exiting Connelly's wrist, penetrating Connelly's right arm pit, traveling through Connelly's chest, existing near the right nipple, and then penetrating Connelly's thigh.
The existence of bullet fragments in Connelly's wrist alone refutes the Single-Bullet Theory.
Connelly himself -- and he was a combat veteran -- claimed until the day he died, that he was shot by a different bullet, and that the gunshot wound to his thigh was also a different bullet.
The Warren Commission Report, which ignores 90% of the evidence, claims Oswald was self-taught in Russian, when we know for a fact thanks to the House Select-Committee Report, that Oswald was trained in Russian at the Military Language Institute, then-located at Presidio of Monterrey in California.
The Warren Commission Report also ignores the fact that while Oswald was assigned to a base in Japan, he was rarely there, because he was assigned temporary duty to other still classified duties, probably in preparation for his mission to the Soviet Union.
While we don't know for a fact it was Oswald, we do know that the CIA was getting intelligence reports for nuclear weapons targeting data from an agent in Minsk during the time Oswald was there, and nothing before or after Oswald's residency there.
If and when the CIA ever declassifies that, we'll know for certain that agent was Oswald.
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Originally Posted by PullMyFinger
Kennedy was shot by a lone shooter and probably not Lee Harvey Oswald. I personally believe he was killed by a KGB agent who played Oswald for a patsy.
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It was a handful of people in government, including the CIA, that were acting on their own with no authority who used Oswald as a patsy.
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Originally Posted by gmagoo
He refused to commit troops to Southeast Asia and withheld air support from Eisenhower and Allen Dulles`s idiotic Bay of Pigs fiasco. When JFK fired treasonous Allen Dulles his fate was sealed.
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JFK owns the Bay of Pigs, not Dulles.
The original plan called for a landing at an east coast port, then securing an airport, and 80 sorties by B-26 bombers flown by CIA-trained pilots from Honduras, Nicaragua and Guatemala.
If you would bother to read the declassified meeting minutes and other memos, you'd know that JFK got suckered into McNamara's idiotic "Plausible Deniability" nonsense.
The first thing JFK did was reduce the number of initial sorties to 40, then at the next meeting to 36 then to 24, then 20, then 16, then just 8 sorties.
The purpose of the 80 sorties was to eliminate the possibility of the small Cuban air force to intervene, destroy communications facilities, and headquarters facilities.
With the reduction in sorties, Dulles and team were forced to abandon attacks on headquarters facilities to concentrate on communication targets and air bases.
With the next round of cuts by JFK, the planning team was forced to concentrate all attacks on air bases.
When JFK made the final limitation just 8 sorties, he imposed one other condition: that all additional sorties after the initial 8 had to take-off from inside Cuba.
The only place in Cuba where you could get ships close enough to shore to land troops and off-load weapons, ammunition and supplies and where B-26 bombers could land and take-off, and be refueled and rearmed was the Bay of Pigs.
8 initial sorties was simply not enough to damage the Cuban air force, and Cuban aircraft damaged and destroyed the ships, dooming the invasion.
If Kennedy wasn't so damn busy banging women, he should have understood the threat, especially since his little PT-boat was attacked on two different occasions by Japanese Kate and Betty bombers.
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Originally Posted by Milton Miteybad
And one of your fellow Communists, Lee Harvey Oswald, was solely responsible for the assassination of John F. Kennedy.
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Some people are really suckers.
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Originally Posted by rbohm
what kennedy did with cuba was in fact legal.
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No, it wasn't. It violated any number of international treaties to which the US was a party, plus US public laws.
On the other hand, Castro, under international, Cuban and US laws, had every right to seize assets of US companies for failure to pay back taxes.
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Originally Posted by rbohm
but stopping the soviets from putting nuclear missiles in cuba was a good thing, or would you like having nuclear warheads within a few minutes of the US?
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He didn't stop them....they were already there.
Why should the Soviets and East Bloc people tolerate US nuclear weapons within a few minutes of their locations?
If JFK doesn't deploy the Jupiter missiles -- in spite of Eisenhower begging and pleading for JFK not to do that -- then the Soviets don't deploy missiles to Cuba.
That the Soviet ships turned back is totally meaningless.
The US doesn't transport nuclear weapons by ships, and neither did the Soviets.
The nuclear warheads and missile components were delivered to Cuba by aircraft, not ships.
The only thing the ships had were the launchers for the SS-5s, but the SS-4s, which don't use launchers, were already operational.
And the only reason the ships turned back is because JFK caved-in and agreed to remove the Jupiter missiles from Turkey and Italy.
In fact, every Jupiter missile was removed from Turkey and Italy
before the first missile was removed from Cuba, and the last missiles didn't leave Cuba until August 1967, four years after JFK was dead.
Walter Lippman was going to run that story, but RFK pressured him not to do that, because it would undermine JFK's presidency, and Lippman, being a Democrat and Liberal agreed to disrespect you and not run the story.
But, the Republicans knew, and they wisely sat on it.
No point in bringing up...at least not yet...because like all things, it's only controversial for a while and then it goes away.
Saving it, allows the Republicans to beat JFK over the head with it during the elections.
Can you imagine a televised debate where Goldwater asks JFK:
Why did you deploy the Jupiter missiles, when Eisenhower begged and pleaded with you not to do that until you resolved the situation in Cuba?
How's JFK going to answer that? The correct answer is,
I was arrogant, brash and completely stupid, because I was hell-bent on banging women, but JFK would never admit that.
And when Goldwater asks:
Why did you agree to withdraw the Jupiter missiles in exchange for the withdraw of the Soviet SS-4s and SS-5s?
The correct answer is:
I screwed myself by telling the World the US would never invade or overthrow Castro, and I stupidly backed myself into a corner.
There's no way JFK could ever give a reasoned cogent response that Americans would accept, and he'd lose the 1964 Election.
That, is why he is dead.
Some congressmen came to visit him at his home in Kennebunkport in January 1963.
They asked him to resign for the good of the Party.
JFK could have resigned, citing health reasons and not one single American would have blinked an eye, because everyone knew he had a number of health issues, and in fact, it's unlikely he would have lived much longer than he did anyway.
If JFK resigns, then LBJ is president, and LBJ doesn't have to answer for Berlin, or the Bay of Pigs, or the Kennedy Political Crisis, or any of the other numerous JFK blunders.
LBJ is the best chance for control of the White House in 1964.
Naturally, JFK, being the arrogant ass-clown he was, blatantly refused and that's what set the conspiracy to get rid of him in motion.
I believe it was Congressman Haley or Senator Holland from Florida (one or both of them), a congressman from Texas, and one from either Louisiana or Tennessee who visited him in January.
If I can ever get to the JFK library, I can go through his day-planner and notes to find out who they were.
They were the principals in the conspiracy.
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