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Old 12-06-2018, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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You don't know what AIPAC does? Really?

https://www.opensecrets.org/industri...e=2018&ind=Q05
Oh, I know what AIPAC is and does (a fine organization, by the way). I was merely questioning whether the post had certain despicable undertones to it.
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Old 12-06-2018, 07:31 AM
 
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Oh, I know what AIPAC is and does (a fine organization, by the way). I was merely questioning whether the post had certain despicable undertones to it.
It lobbies the money out of americans pockets so it can be gifted to israel. That anyone should support such thievery is despicable as well.
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Old 12-07-2018, 01:45 AM
 
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It lobbies the money out of americans pockets so it can be gifted to israel. That anyone should support such thievery is despicable as well.
I'm curious, are you that outraged at similar monetary gifts to other countries (often the result of lobbying efforts by other groups)? Or is it just lobbying efforts by AIPAC/monetary contributions to Israel that bother you?
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Old 12-07-2018, 01:56 AM
 
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I'm curious, are you that outraged at similar monetary gifts to other countries (often the result of lobbying efforts by other groups)? Or is it just lobbying efforts by AIPAC/monetary contributions to Israel that bother you?
No country is entitled to the money of american tax victims.

Noted you didn't deny the criminal purpose of AIPAC
You want to support the Israeli govt., send it a check.
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Old 12-07-2018, 02:02 AM
 
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No country is entitled to the money of american tax victims.

Noted you didn't deny the criminal purpose of AIPAC
You want to support the Israeli govt., send it a check.
No country is entitled to American taxpayers. I agree, but no one is claiming otherwise. Still, our elected representatives are free to provide aid to foreign nations; we've long done so and will continue to do so. You don't like it, vote for people to represent you who are anti-foreign aid.

AIPAC has no criminal purpose, no matter how much you try to claim so.

Your hatred of AIPAC is noted. I'm still curious as to whether you carry that same level of hatred to other organizations/lobbying groups who push for funds for foreign countries not named Israel.
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Old 12-07-2018, 03:17 AM
 
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I'm curious, are you that outraged at similar monetary gifts to other countries (often the result of lobbying efforts by other groups)? Or is it just lobbying efforts by AIPAC/monetary contributions to Israel that bother you?
I love when US aid goes to poorer countries. For example, when you see items in a market somewhere in sub-saharan africa marked "USAid". There the US does good work, providing it's not using her aid as a way to tie the governments to carrying out US geopolitical strategy. It's about uplifting humanity.

Now, aid to Israel makes no sense to me. Israel is not a poor country. Israel is also carrying out policies that should be anathema to the USA. Gaza Strip is basically some kind of open air prison. The USA should at least use their aid to change Israel's inhumane policies but it won't due to AIPAC.

But I'm even more upset about US military aid to a place like Saudi Arabia.

We can evaluate US aid country by country.
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Old 12-07-2018, 06:45 AM
 
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I love when US aid goes to poorer countries. For example, when you see items in a market somewhere in sub-saharan africa marked "USAid". There the US does good work, providing it's not using her aid as a way to tie the governments to carrying out US geopolitical strategy. It's about uplifting humanity.

Now, aid to Israel makes no sense to me. Israel is not a poor country. Israel is also carrying out policies that should be anathema to the USA. Gaza Strip is basically some kind of open air prison. The USA should at least use their aid to change Israel's inhumane policies but it won't due to AIPAC.

But I'm even more upset about US military aid to a place like Saudi Arabia.

We can evaluate US aid country by country.
You're okay with taking money from our poor and giving it away? And of course you've donated tons of your time and money, right? It's not enough, do more, do a lot more.
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Old 12-07-2018, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Oh, I know what AIPAC is and does (a fine organization, by the way). I was merely questioning whether the post had certain despicable undertones to it.
AIPAC is a “fine organization” like the Yugo was a fine automobile. Apparently you're OK with a foreign government dictating U.S. foreign policy.

And before you say anything, not one dime of stolen American income should be given to ANY foreign country.
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Old 12-07-2018, 09:35 AM
 
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I think Nikki has a lot of appeal as a Presidential candidate, and she sure has the credentials now.

If she has those ambitions, she chose the right time and place to leave the political stage for a while and do some planning. I think she did a good job at the UN, as good as she could do, and leaving it now was a smart move. Of all of Trump's original cabinet, I think she's leaving with her reputation enhanced and undamaged.

I don't think she would run against Trump, but if he didn't run again, she could give 2020 a try. But she's at a very good age when it may be very good for her and her family to go back into private life again. There are lots of jobs that are waiting for her, I'm sure.

Sooner or later, the Republicans will nominate a woman. She's as good a bet as any I can think of to be the first.

Nikki wouldn't be a serious Presidential candidate. She should have stayed in South Carolina and ran for Senator. Nikki doesn't have nation wide appeal. Nikki's only claim to fame is, she removed the Confederate flag in South Carolina.
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Old 12-07-2018, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Texas
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No country is entitled to American taxpayers. I agree, but no one is claiming otherwise. Still, our elected representatives are free to provide aid to foreign nations; we've long done so and will continue to do so. You don't like it, vote for people to represent you who are anti-foreign aid.

AIPAC has no criminal purpose, no matter how much you try to claim so.

Your hatred of AIPAC is noted. I'm still curious as to whether you carry that same level of hatred to other organizations/lobbying groups who push for funds for foreign countries not named Israel.
You say "No country is entitled to American taxpayers. I agree," yet you also say "AIPAC is a fine organization".

Yea that makes sense. They aren't the ones stealing our money, they're just the ones laundering it.
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