Funny with the seating at Bush's funeral (community, Americans, liberal)
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Sometimes he can sing. At Bush's funeral - not so much cause he ain't Christian. Regardless, this video reminds me of a small child twitching around. It's from over a year ago. I'm thinking possibly dementia???
All the previous Presidents are smart men, even Bush has some limited intellect. They all know an imposter and a dimwit when they hear one speak and they wanted nothing to do with Trump. What thinking person would?
So you really don't believe that they could have been honestly moved by any of the eulogists or music? That's pretty sad. I didn't vote for Bush Senior, but I still found myself having a genuine emotional reaction to some of the stories shared by his friends and family.
Same here I wasn’t a fan of him or his son but G.W lost his dad. Trump should show respect as well.
I'll admit that I did find that odd. I'm an Episcopalian like the Bush family, and as such I approach worship as a participatory experience. (To be clear, Episcopalians are not the only ones who feel this way, so there's no need for anyone to rush in with "We do that, too!" I know.) The responsive readings, the hymns, the public confession, the kneeling, the Creed, the Eucharist, and sometimes genuflection are all part and parcel of my Sunday morning experience. It's weird to see worshippers simply observe rather than join in. I was praying, singing, reading, and responding with the service booklet in my lap (I printed it ahead of time) through the screen in front of me. It's that deeply engrained. Don't get me wrong, though. The President was welcome to participate or not participate as he saw fit. All I'm saying is that it was very strange for me to see someone not make at least an attempt to be an active participant in the service. I felt the same way while watching the wedding of the now Duke and Duchess of Sussex. All I could think was, "Nobody has any idea what's going on, do they? I hope at least they enjoy the show."
While I did notice that he didn't participate, that's excusable. Not everyone is familiar (read: comfortable) with the Episcopal (or Catholic, for that matter) order of worship. The thing that really stuck out to me was seeing him sitting with his arms firmly crossed. I suspect most people assume this posture at some point or another, and when I do it, it's usually because I don't want to be somewhere, am mad clean through about it, and do not care who knows. It's not behavior I would want to display at a funeral.
I guess everyone in that cathedral but Trump and his trophy wife are unstable, then. All the former presidents were laughing and crying at the same time. I saw them. Guess who was the odd man out?
Personally I thought it was George W. Bush made a very good speech, which was full of emotion and indeed humour, and his speech was from the heart. Whilst Bush's friend Alan Simpson also made a good speech.
I also enjoyed listening to Brian Mulroney's perspective and tribute. All in all, the service was very moving.
While I did notice that he didn't participate, that's excusable. Not everyone is familiar (read: comfortable) with the Episcopal (or Catholic, for that matter) order of worship. The thing that really stuck out to me was seeing him sitting with his arms firmly crossed. I suspect most people assume this posture at some point or another, and when I do it, it's usually because I don't want to be somewhere, am mad clean through about it, and do not care who knows. It's not behavior I would want to display at a funeral.
Please don't read my comment as criticism. It's simply an observation. The readings and activities that go hand-in-hand with worship are no longer familiar to a large number of Americans because so many simply don't attend church or do so very infrequently. That's not about faith. It's about a cultural shift that has removed regular church attendance from the center of what it means to be community.
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I also enjoyed listening to Brian Mulroney's perspective and tribute. All in all, the service was very moving.
It was. I thought Alan Simpson's tribute was particularly effective at helping to flesh out those who serve in government and who are often viewed as caricatures by the rest of us. He was damn funny, too, which helped to lighten the mood for a few moments before George W. Bush delivered his eulogy. I thought that was kind given how heavy Bush Jr's. heart must have been before he approached the lectern.
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All the former presidents were laughing and crying at the same time. I saw them. Guess who was the odd man out?