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Old 12-09-2018, 05:30 PM
 
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His biggest sin, in Trump's eyes, was recusing himself in the Russia investigation and refusing to be Trump's Roy Cohen. I don't think he had much choice, otherwise, he wouldn't have done it.

In everything else, he implemented what Trump wanted.
Ditto. Short thread.
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Old 12-09-2018, 06:23 PM
 
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jeff sessions - why he failed

i don't think he failed at all.

He did an outstanding job for trump ... A+. Trump failed by getting rid of him.

The fact that sessions had to recuse himself from the trump campaign-russia investigation is not his fault, it is the fault of the campaign and the candidate who started this mess to begin with. sessions did the right thing and he knows it, trump knows it, and sessions knows that trump knows sessions knows trump knows it.

^ Indeed.
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Old 12-09-2018, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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He couldn't make the transition from Senator to Executive Branch as evident where he viewed the Senators his colleagues during the confirmation hearings.
He still wanted to be one of the boys. Weak and unaccountable. Appointed to be full time in the job. He chose to be a part timer and never told the one who hired him he would only do part of the job.
Hit the nail on the head. He was a failure in the current executive branch. He was very conservative but very principled and believed in a strict interpretation of the law.
This may seem like a perfect Trump fit. It was anything but.
His loyalty was to his rigid application of the law. His border security initiatives and his drug crackdown were examples. But Trump demanded loyalty first and adherence to the law a distant second.
The fit was doomed from the start and early recusal by Sessions proved it.
I Give the little Gnome credit for standing toe to toe with Trump and holding fast to principles for as long as he did. Even when many of his moves I disagreed with. He refused to be bullied.

Funny thing though. FOX Network individuals with absolutely no political experience except the 30 second sound bite, nor a history of public service, seem to have no problem fitting in and transitioning to the Trump Executive Branch.

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Old 12-09-2018, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Sessions should have been fired the day he handed a loaded gun to the Democrats and butthurt never Trumpers and said, feel free to take pot shots at Trump, his family, friends and business acquaintances for the next 4 years.
Sessions had no choice but recusal.
Whether he intended to meet face to face with the Russian at the center of all this or didn't, he ended up talking to that Russian in Trump Towers. What he learned or not doesn't matter.

The meeting was enough to poison whatever followed afterward once Congress authorized a Special Investigation. Sessions is a lawyer first, understood that, and either had to resign from his position as Attorney General or recuse himself.

He chose the latter, and served Trump very well as AG. Sessions enabled and authorized even more anti-immigrant actions during his term than Trump requested from him. He smoothed over a lot of Trump's legal mistakes, and facilitated his boss in many other ways.

But as we all know, Trump demands absolute fealty. If anyone who works for Trump doesn't cut his own throat at Trump's command, he's fired. Sessions has lost everything now, but at least he's still alive, and still has the possibility of cleaning himself up once the Trump nightmare ends. And then, possibly, Jeff can return.

He'll never reach his ultimate goal, though; what Sessions has always wanted most of all is a seat on the Supreme Court. As an un-reconstructed Confederate, he would never get that in Alabama, and he thought the Senate might be his avenue. It wasn't.

But Trump looked like a better possibility, back in 2015 for Jeff to get his most fervent wish granted. Trump was a long-shot, but a long-shot was better than nothing, and if Trump won, Sessions was sure he would get a seat on SCOTUS before Trump's term expired.

He never foresaw having to meet the Russian, and he probably didn't think much would ever come from those meetings, I'm sure. And Jeff may have been secure in thinking the meetings were secure as secrets.

That's a Confederate for you. They have been unrepentant for so long they see losing as winning, and take it for granted they'll win, no matter how much they lose.
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Old 12-09-2018, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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He failed because of the universal rule.

EVERYTHING and EVERYONE that comes near to or touches this maniac turns to ****!
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Old 12-09-2018, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Here and now.
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I think the answer depends upon how one defines failure.

From a moral perspective, Sessions has failed many times. From Trump's perspective, he failed because he actually attempted to do the right thing, which was to recuse himself. Contrary to what some people seem to believe, while Cabinet members serve at the pleasure of the President, that is not the same thing as serving the President, particularly with blind and mindless loyalty. Their first responsibility is to the American people.
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Old 12-09-2018, 08:30 PM
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Location: Dallas, TX
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Sessions simply was not going to let himself go to jail for anything Trump did. Isn't that what any honorable AG would do when the chief executive is facing a criminal investigation - not impede the investigation at the least?

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Trump started the ball rolling when he fired Comey, blame him, if he was still AG we wouldn't be where we are today.
And to think the RW cheered him for outing Clinton for her emails. Funny how fate can turn on the head of a pin.

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Old 12-09-2018, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Sessions simply was not going to let himself go to jail for anything Trump did. Isn't that what any honorable AG would do when the chief executive is facing a criminal investigation - not impede the investigation at the least?



And to think the RW cheered him for outing Clinton for her emails. Funny how fate can turn on the head of a pin.
Elliott Richardson thought so when he was Nixon's Attorney General. He recused himself from the Watergate investigation and Nixon fired him, along with his replacement, who also recused and was fired.

It was called the Saturday Night Massacre, and was the beginning of Nixon's downfall.

Ethically, the Attorney General must serve the citizens of our republic, even if his job was given to him by the President.

As the nation's topmost law enforcement officer, they all swear to uphold the laws of our nation. But not a one of them has ever had to swear fealty to the President.
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Old 12-09-2018, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Sessions had no choice but recusal.
Whether he intended to meet face to face with the Russian at the center of all this or didn't, he ended up talking to that Russian in Trump Towers. What he learned or not doesn't matter.

The meeting was enough to poison whatever followed afterward once Congress authorized a Special Investigation. Sessions is a lawyer first, understood that, and either had to resign from his position as Attorney General or recuse himself.

He chose the latter, and served Trump very well as AG. Sessions enabled and authorized even more anti-immigrant actions during his term than Trump requested from him. He smoothed over a lot of Trump's legal mistakes, and facilitated his boss in many other ways.

But as we all know, Trump demands absolute fealty. If anyone who works for Trump doesn't cut his own throat at Trump's command, he's fired. Sessions has lost everything now, but at least he's still alive, and still has the possibility of cleaning himself up once the Trump nightmare ends. And then, possibly, Jeff can return.

He'll never reach his ultimate goal, though; what Sessions has always wanted most of all is a seat on the Supreme Court. As an un-reconstructed Confederate, he would never get that in Alabama, and he thought the Senate might be his avenue. It wasn't.

But Trump looked like a better possibility, back in 2015 for Jeff to get his most fervent wish granted. Trump was a long-shot, but a long-shot was better than nothing, and if Trump won, Sessions was sure he would get a seat on SCOTUS before Trump's term expired.

He never foresaw having to meet the Russian, and he probably didn't think much would ever come from those meetings, I'm sure. And Jeff may have been secure in thinking the meetings were secure as secrets.

That's a Confederate for you. They have been unrepentant for so long they see losing as winning, and take it for granted they'll win, no matter how much they lose.
Sessions went to a party where some Russians were while Mueller was best friends with Comey and was turned down by Trump in his job interview, which one needed to recuse himself for bias the most....obviously Mueller and then he hired a team of Democrat lawless henchmen to try to lynch Trump.
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Old 12-10-2018, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Sessions went to a party where some Russians were while Mueller was best friends with Comey and was turned down by Trump in his job interview, which one needed to recuse himself for bias the most....obviously Mueller and then he hired a team of Democrat lawless henchmen to try to lynch Trump.
Comey was never best friends with Mueller, that's just Trump talking. Sessions worked on Trumps campaign, he shouldn't be making any decisions related to Mueller's investigation.


You really need to give "the democratic investigators" a rest, these are the same investigators that put the Enron Execs, Mob bosses and drug dealers behind bars. This is just want Trump wants, don't trust the media, your government or the facts because they are all part of some conspiracy.
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