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Hostage taking for whatever reason is a rogue act, not “winning”. Any country can do that, even North Korea can do it. Trade disputes should never be escalated into a rogue war of hostage taking competition.
There is a technology supremacy struggle between US-China involving companies like Huawei. Canada is doing the rogue work, and Trudeau was saying voluntarillay?
Hostage taking for whatever reason is a rogue act, not “winning”. Any country can do that, even North Korea can do it. Trade disputes should never be escalated into a rogue war of hostage taking competition.
There is a technology supremacy struggle between US-China involving companies like Huawei. Canada is doing the rogue work, and Trudeau was saying voluntarillay?
Trudeau said no such thing. "Rule of Law" and treaty obligations state that Canada was legally bound to arrest her on behalf of the U.S. who had charged her with a crime in absentia.
It would have been my choice, given that Trump lied about virtually everything he used as "frenzy whipping" to paint Canada as the villain in NAFTA and invoking a security clause to enact tariffs against Canada, with Americans agreeing with his approach, Canada should have told the U.S. to go pound sand.
The West should have retained relations with Taiwan when opening them with China. In those days they definitely needed us more than we needed them. In fact they still do. See A Weakened China Tries a Different Approach With the U.S.: Treading Lightly in today's New York Times. The Times is hardly a fan of Donald Trump's.
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Originally Posted by 6oo9
This is escalating, that isn’t good.
Hostage taking for whatever reason is a rogue act, not “winning”. Any country can do that, even North Korea can do it. Trade disputes should never be escalated into a rogue war of hostage taking competition.
There is a technology supremacy struggle between US-China involving companies like Huawei. Canada is doing the rogue work, and Trudeau was saying voluntarillay?
The arrest of Meng Wanzhou was not a "hostage taking." She had and has recourse to a real court; can one say that about the Chinese capture of a former diplomat?
Note, she got bail at the Court hearing. Bail is not exactly an option to someone arrested in China.
The West should have retained relations with Taiwan when opening them with China. In those days they definitely needed us more than we needed them. In fact they still do. See A Weakened China Tries a Different Approach With the U.S.: Treading Lightly in today's New York Times. The Times is hardly a fan of Donald Trump's.The arrest of Meng Wanzhou was not a "hostage taking." She had and has recourse to a real court; can one say that about the Chinese capture of a former diplomat?
Note, she got bail at the Court hearing. Bail is not exactly an option to someone arrested in China.
Trump tipped it off by offering to intervene if...
It was clearly hostage-taking by both sides.
The normal process is for charges and penalties to be levied against the companies. They normally don't arrest officers of US banks that violated the sanctions.
The Five Eyes countries spy network is in the process of specifying and installing next generation networks where there'll be extensive spying on the populations of the English-speaking countries. Chinese equipment is being banned to keep them out.
In most cases, Beijing will not even reveal their whereabouts or if they are detained or missing only after many months.
Exactly my point. What Beijing does is Contrary to any international law, or any system of law at all. Work calendar in the United States do is arrest, and then turn the matter over to the judicial system.
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Trump tipped it off by offering to intervene if...
It was clearly hostage-taking by both sides.
The normal process is for charges and penalties to be levied against the companies. They normally don't arrest officers of US banks that violated the sanctions.
You put your finger on why sanctions are usually not effective. Would you prefer that the the U.S. and China go to war over these matters? Whenever military action is threatened, many people ask why we can't use economic sanctions. Or why more time can't be afforded to "make sanctions work." The fact that the economic sanctions are toothless is one very big reason for taking more direct steps.
When sanctions actually have an impact, there are usually major humanitarian concerns since the elites themselves won't let themselves suffer.
The arrest (or hostage taking) is a desperate attempt that revealed the losing state of technology supremacy struggle. In hostage taking war, making someone disappears as China does is a lot darker, since it's even harder to negotiate a release.
Trump hinting bargaining chip using the arrest essentially admits the rogue act of hostage taking.
Just from reading the OPs thread and links I see this as an example of how America takes credit for something they have not done and claim the victory when there is no risk on America's part. Canada is the one holding the bag and risking economic fallout.
I am angry about this and it gives me even more reason to dislike America. That's harder to do when one has a huge ever-expanding American family living in NY where my father was born and I have dual citizenship.
America has done nothing but ask Canada to detain Huawei executive much to Canada's detriment but it has become clear than American citizenry thinks they are the ones who deserve to be praised because they are being misguided by lies of omission in their media..
China threatens Canada with very harsh consequences and has arrested 2 Canadian executives as push-back but promises much worse if their executive is not released. All the while I see nothing of this in your news CNN, ABC, CBS, FOX, blah blah.
Then your president states he is thinking of using Huawei as a bargaining chip. This is not justice it is extortion. Canada did not sign up for this kind of trick.
Take note that Canada postponed a planned trade trip to China because of Huawei fallout but Americans are at the bargaining table with China despite the Huawai arrest taking place under their noses. WTF ??
Government officials in Canada and US claim this is not a political matter and it is totally separate as a matter for justice departments. LIES.
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