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View Poll Results: Is Identity Politics racism?
liberal: yes, identity politics is often a form of racism. 3 5.08%
iberal: no, it's just another dumb wedge issue that has no impact on race relations. 1 1.69%
iberal: no it's not racism, in fact it is usually just the opposite. 2 3.39%
conservative: yes, identity politics is often a form of racism. 19 32.20%
conservative: no, it's just another dumb wedge issue that has no impact on race relations. 2 3.39%
conservative: no it's not racism, in fact it is usually just the opposite. 1 1.69%
independent: yes, identity politics is often a form of racism. 26 44.07%
independent: no, it's just another dumb wedge issue that has no impact on race relations. 2 3.39%
independent: no it's not racism, in fact it is usually just the opposite. 0 0%
other (please explain below) 3 5.08%
Voters: 59. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-13-2018, 11:24 AM
 
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Note that it is 90% among independents. However, there are only 5 liberals who voted (I was one). I know there are way more than 5 liberal posters here, but I think there is kind of a 'head in the sand' effect with a poll like this. They don't like the topic, so they don't vote.
What they REALLY don't like is having to admit the sad truth of just how dirty and vile political correctness is. To admit it is racist, it is, would be admitting that a thing they use as a weapon in every argument has been wrong all along.

Todays PC Police are really no better than mid-century white racist groups. They may even be worse because at least racists generally hated all non-whites and Jews so everyone knew where they stood.

The PC Police can say anything is wrong. They can hate anything or anyone they choose whenever they choose. Nobody knows where they stand with these morons because even they don't know what to hate next.

The list of what is wrong and incorrect has become a massive list full of petty little hates by petty little haters. The latest is candy canes and Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer. How annoyingly pathetic is that?
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Old 12-13-2018, 11:42 AM
 
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The basis of identity politics is democrats focusing "too much" on black people(Black lives matters/police brutality and so on...) and LGBT( bullying, rights, adoption and military service) and not enough on white people. Any time those groups come up, then so does "identity politics" and "middle america", "real america"

So yes, everything can indeed be based if the basis is skin color and sexuality.
I disagree. We need policies and mindsets that treat people fairly, respectfully and equally, with no regard for their "race". Any time that these issues are approached in terms of different treatment for different groups, it has the opposite effect of what we should all want and what we obviously very much need.

The idea that by shifting the balance of attention from one set of groups to another, that this will result in anything more than a stirring up and rearranging of the hatred, strife, antagonism and sense of injustice and inequality that continues to permeate our society - which exists largely BECAUSE OF this highly divisive "Identity politics" mindset - is just exactly wrong.

Continuing to promote and accommodate extremely racist "Identity politics" mindsets and conduct in our society will just continue to result in more of the same divisiveness, hate and animosity that it always has. It is time for us to stop this and start treating all people as human beings.

In fact, there is only one race, the human race. Now is the time for all of us to accept that and to treat each other accordingly.
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Old 12-13-2018, 01:20 PM
 
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Bull

Of course there was.




Yep. A lot of people like to pretend that white, and particularly white male isn't also an identity. They remain incorrect on that.
Actually, a lot of people lament identity politics by the pinheads on both sides. You should read more.
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Old 12-13-2018, 01:36 PM
 
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And it's one thing when a reality star, turned demagogue huckster employs identity politics, but it's even more disappointing when these childish, simplistic, moronic ideas of identitarianism and "problems with whiteness" emanate from the halls of higher education. Those are the folks who are supposed be our intellectual engines. The folks who shape the minds of our young adults. They aren't supposed to be the ones who fashion obvious three-card monte rhetorical tricks, like redefining "racism" such that "people of color" can never be racist. Or redefining certain words as "violent," with the transparent goal of prohibiting language they don't like. Given the traditions of Western Civilization dating back to the Hellenes, that sort of nonsense originating from our alleged "intellectuals" calls into serious question the fate of our culture.
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Old 12-13-2018, 03:01 PM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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The dems running for office thrive off defining constituency groups, based on their pointing out any small differences between people's skin color, heritage, gender, etc... then pitting everyone against each another. The dems set themselves up as the only gentle, caring, empathetic caretakers of all of these groups, as if they are the only ones capable of keeping them safe, and holding the barbarian hordes at the gate.


The dems shtick each and every election cycle, is to claim that evil, vile, heartless, mean spirited, nameless, faceless white men want to take everything from you, put their foot on your neck, steal your money, force you to have babies, leave you in the cold wilderness to die a slow death, etc....
yep.

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Old 12-13-2018, 03:06 PM
 
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Great explanation of identity politics and intersectionality, which is a way to keep score and allows for one-upmanship of victim status.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc7VUoytoU4
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Old 12-13-2018, 06:21 PM
 
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Great explanation of identity politics and intersectionality, which is a way to keep score and allows for one-upmanship of victim status.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc7VUoytoU4
I got into this in another thread: The Modern Political Fabrication of Minority Groups

I was waiting for Ben Shapiro to mention it but he never did. The biggest proof of the point he is making is "Hispanics", a politically fabricated victim group that was invented with the stroke of a pen in the late 70s. This is something that really needs to be discussed because the generation that remembers when there was no concept of a "hispanic" or "latino" minority group is still living.
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Old 12-13-2018, 06:47 PM
 
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Who even knows how it's defined? Are Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio 'people of color?' Is Cameron Diaz? Is my Palestinian buddy, whose skin is as pale as any Scandinavian, a 'person of color?'
They event new "people of color" every generation. All kinds of white people are becoming 'people of color".

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Media got all confused when George Zimmerman came along. The NYT had to make up a new term for him: "white Hispanic," (even though he was partly of African ancestry).
The irony of that whole fiasco is that before the category "hispanic" existed, all people of Spanish origin were considered to be simply white.
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Old 12-13-2018, 06:49 PM
 
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It's political brilliance, works like a charm.

What better way to get votes, exploit humans' natural tendency to divide in a multitude of way.
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Old 12-13-2018, 07:12 PM
 
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Second, for like the millionth time, hispanic is not a race, its an ethnicity. One of my students was born and raised in Argentina, to Israeli parents. That makes him a hispanic, jewish, white guy. Hispanic is part of his ethnicity, jewish is his religion, and white is his race. There are lots of white hispanic people, there are lots of black hispanic people, because it is not a race. So with regards to Ted, Carmen and Marco, no most people of cuban descent identify as white when it comes to their race but that does not mean they are not also hispanic. As for George Zimmerman he is ethnically hispanic, and it appears he is multiracial (though mostly white) when it comes to his race. So what?
"Hispanic" actually means nothing. They make it up as they go along. It doesn't even fit the definition of an ethnicity.

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eth·nic·i·ty
/eTHˈnisədē/
noun

the fact or state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition.
"the interrelationship between gender, ethnicity, and class"
The people we call "hispanic" today have neither nationality nor culture in common. When you get a chance, ask you're Isreali Argentine student what he has in common with any random person from El Salvador or Mexico.
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