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Old 12-12-2018, 11:48 AM
 
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And you're not a blind partisan?
Check the history champ. I've diverted from standard leftist/Democrat positions plenty.
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Old 12-12-2018, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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I don't work for you and will make my own decisions ? You might want to read it yourself or pick another spy novel. Where is the evidence and the money transactions supporting the accusation of funneling money. Not even talking about it nor is it the focus of the link. Clickbait title !!!

From the link :

“I think in some ways it’s a classic love story,” Driscoll said. “I think [reporters] are filling in a lot of the gaps with a lot of spy novels.”
Have you ever read an article about her?
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Old 12-12-2018, 11:49 AM
 
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The NRA vouched for Maria Butina so she could enter the United States!

Holy crap!



https://twitter.com/CRNHealthcare/st...86742593658883
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Old 12-12-2018, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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So, before they invade us, Russia's tactic is to get Republican's elected so they can enact laws that favor more guns. That's one hell of a conspiracy theory.
The tactic is to divide the country. Guns are a lightning rod.
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Old 12-12-2018, 11:55 AM
 
Location: NC
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Assuming these accusations are truthful, how did the Russia affect the 2016 Presidential Election?

Really?


OK, let's assume for a moment that Trump is 100% innocent here. Everyone knows that's not true, but let's just pretend for a moment.

Russia has been undeniably linked to instigating fake news via social media that has hurt BOTH PARTIES. More-so in favor of Trump than against, but their real goal was more about sewing discontent and distrust. And it worked. Look at the base of people now who believe that the FBI is just Democratic yes-men. Look at the number of people who believe the mainstream media is the enemy of the people. Look at how many people are holding onto arguments based on "gotcha technicalities", rather than subscribing to any set of values.

And for the record, it applies to people on both sides of the aisle. If you think I'm talking about "you" (whoever that might be), then it's because you are projecting these things onto yourself.

In short, Russia definitely affected the 2016 Presidential election, and more importantly, more alarmingly, they've affected the American Narrative for everything political that has happened since, and into the future for a long time.
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Old 12-12-2018, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Itinerant
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Nowadays, the same results can be achieved against a free society with a clever 'Facebook' type media and disinformation campaign.
However the disinformation campaign may equally be caused by a set of disparate events, that are furtively tied together from some group to appear to be something they're not, for political gain.

Everything you're saying about Russian involvement in X, Y, and Z, may not be anything malign, and may have been happening for years without any issue. However, point a finger and start screaming interference and watch the cockroaches scuttle.

I don't know who is running a disinformation campaign, as of now, maybe no one, it may have reached McCarthy level critical mass. However it's as likely not Russia as it is Russia.

It's wise to be cautious, before there is another round of McCarthyism once again feeding innocent people into the flames of public opinion.

Just sayin...
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Old 12-12-2018, 12:09 PM
 
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let me guess. you are one of those conspiracy kooks with bifocals who lives in an apartment that cluttered with books, magazines, newspapers and trash and a computer. and you keep your door bolted shut and look through the door crack when someone knocks.
"Let me present this scenario that I made up in my head to feel better!"
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Old 12-12-2018, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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Trump, the NRA? What other people or organizations do the Democrats HATE and want to take down?

Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity better watch out before they get tied to some Russian Democrat orchestrated scandal..
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Old 12-12-2018, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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Really?


OK, let's assume for a moment that Trump is 100% innocent here. Everyone knows that's not true, but let's just pretend for a moment.

Russia has been undeniably linked to instigating fake news via social media that has hurt BOTH PARTIES. More-so in favor of Trump than against, but their real goal was more about sewing discontent and distrust. And it worked. Look at the base of people now who believe that the FBI is just Democratic yes-men. Look at the number of people who believe the mainstream media is the enemy of the people. Look at how many people are holding onto arguments based on "gotcha technicalities", rather than subscribing to any set of values.

And for the record, it applies to people on both sides of the aisle. If you think I'm talking about "you" (whoever that might be), then it's because you are projecting these things onto yourself.

In short, Russia definitely affected the 2016 Presidential election, and more importantly, more alarmingly, they've affected the American Narrative for everything political that has happened since, and into the future for a long time.



....and the Lefty media is going right along with Putins plan to divide sew "discontent and distrust" in America. Who is it that hammers of Trump 24/7 hyping everything he does or doesn't do from his 2 scoops of ice cream to his want to protect the border. It is all reported with a negative twist to fulfill their narrative that Trump is unfit to serve.

Putin is enjoying this.
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Old 12-12-2018, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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The NRA vouched for Maria Butina so she could enter the United States!

Holy crap!



https://twitter.com/CRNHealthcare/st...86742593658883







Ahhhh Soooo What?

The Dems have been vouching for thousands of "asylum seeking refugees" would be illegal aliens at the border.
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