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There is that funny meme about how if the CDC says the lettuce is deadly, everyone throws it out. But if they recommend a flu shot, they're part of some global conspiracy.
The answer is that situations where people got sick from eating Romaine are well-known and document. Prevented flu cases are like the dog that didn't bark, or the tree falling in the forest that no one hears falling. I personally have not gotten a shot and am unlikely to get one but I don't believe it's a "big pharma" conspiracy. I lean towards the view that it's doctors covering their behinds. If the patient gets sick the doctor wants the file to note "recommended flu vaccine."
I am 61 years old and rather healthy. My wife is 58, and my sons are 22 and 21. All rarely get sick. I do not believe that any of us are candidates for a shot, but my wife may, if I know her, get one anyway.
The rate last year was 39% of adults, presumably under 65, who got their flu shots. That low percentage was blamed on the 80,000 (?) deaths last year. That means 61% DID NOT get flu vaccinations last year; not the 60% yes and 40% no being quoted on this thread. Your article talks about Senior rates which in the US is similar in the high 60% range (highest of all age groups) with approxmiately 30% of the elderly not getting their flu shots either.
The goal for flu vaccinations by Healthy People 2020 is 80% vaccination by under 65's and 90% by over 65's. Not even close in either group only a year away.
Measles is rampant here in Sarasota now due to lack of vax.
Glad to hear you "know" or "don't know" things that even George Washington accepted as fact (he immunized his troops for smallpox)...
You probably "feel it in your bones" that a Flu shot is bad.
Flu shots, BTW, are close to free and NOT a money-maker for Big Pharma. They were developed largely by private foundations that didn't want people to suffer and die (Rockefeller foundation, Johns Hopkins and others).
80,000 flu deaths last year.
"Last year, 80 percent of pediatric deaths occurred in children who were unvaccinated, according to the CDC."
I wouldn't brag about affecting the herd. Maybe you will pass on Flu to a kid or elder who then succumbs. Not smart.
It's really not worth your time and effort. This is a losing battle, you're not going to win anyone over in a forum. And anything you send them will be discounted in their mind by some random source on the internet.
point of fact, before i got the flu shot i never got the flu. and ever since i got the flu, i have refused vaccines, and never again got the flu. so you tell me, is ti just coincidence? i dont think so my friend.
Surely this "scientific test" proves the invalidity of vaccines.....
My sister usually get the flu shots. I agree to getting flu shots, maybe for the elderly. But I have not gotten sick in the last 15 years, not even 10, now that I think about it. My husband and I wash our hands after we play badminton, all those high fives you do with other people can be detrimental to your health. He is nearly 70, not elderly enough. Maybe when we get to our 80s, where our immune system is not as strong. But I got sick a lot in my early 20s, 30s, 40s, and maybe my immune system is getting stronger because of that.
The answer is that situations where people got sick from eating Romaine are well-known and document. Prevented flu cases are like the dog that didn't bark, or the tree falling in the forest that no one hears falling. I personally have not gotten a shot and am unlikely to get one but I don't believe it's a "big pharma" conspiracy. I lean towards the view that it's doctors covering their behinds. If the patient gets sick the doctor wants the file to note "recommended flu vaccine."
I am 61 years old and rather healthy. My wife is 58, and my sons are 22 and 21. All rarely get sick. I do not believe that any of us are candidates for a shot, but my wife may, if I know her, get one anyway.
Prevention is definitely a harder "sell" than cure, although not eating romaine is still in the prevention line. For some reason, E. coli infection is more feared than flu, whereas it should be just the opposite. Way more people die of flu than E. coli. I cannot imagine why you think your family members are not "candidates" for flu shots. The CDC recommends them for everyone.
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My sister usually get the flu shots. I agree to getting flu shots, maybe for the elderly. But I have not gotten sick in the last 15 years, not even 10, now that I think about it. My husband and I wash our hands after we play badminton, all those high fives you do with other people can be detrimental to your health. He is nearly 70, not elderly enough. Maybe when we get to our 80s, where our immune system is not as strong. But I got sick a lot in my early 20s, 30s, 40s, and maybe my immune system is getting stronger because of that.
1. Not just "maybe" for the elderly.
2. Good for you, washing your hands after badminton. But you have to quit breathing to avoid being exposed to the flu. Touch is a very secondary source of infection.
3. You may have some immunity to some strains if you've had flu in the past. That doesn't mean you are immune to every strain.
It's a personal choice, but usually getting a vaccine that could potentially save your life would have to be a good thing, not a bad one, unless you prone to all sorts of conspiracy theory that make you think it's not. That being said I haven't gotten mine yet. And I just got over the Flu which makes me wish I would have gotten mine earlier. I see the Dr. in 2 weeks for my six month checkup, I plan to get one then.
Or go to the nearest pharmacy that offers them and get it now. The flu season is going to be ramping up soon. It takes two weeks to develop full immunity after the shot. https://www.cleveland.com/news/2018/...get-worse.html
First off, good, from what I've read Thirmosal shouldn't be in vaccines. I can't believe it took so long!
Second, as smart as you claim to be, you really missed the point but I'm not surprised because you aren't listening. People don't trust our healthcare system. Doctors practice for profit. They get kickbacks for prescribing medicine.If people were as stupid as you assume they are they would not question doctors motives and would blindly take what's handed to them but they aren't. Since you are a nurse pushing vaccines I'm not at all surprised this irritates you and makes your job harder but it's your own professions fault for ignoring their principles for extra money.
[/b] The topic of autism and vaccines has been brought back up, due to a recent study. Surprise, that's how science rolls. I'm sure there is a reason they are taking Thirmasol out of vaccines.
Opioids, and NSAIDS, along with other disturbing medical blunders does play a roll in why people don't trust the advice of doctors and nurses anymore in this country. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/19/o...corrupted.html
Not to mention the pay for play that goes on with doctors, pharma and insurance companies. If only people were stupid but sadly they're not. Therefore, trust is lost, this is not a mystery.
"financial forces largely hidden from the public are beginning to corrupt care and undermine the bond of trust between doctors and patients. Insurers, hospital networks, and regulatory groups have put in place both rewards and punishments that can powerfully influence your doctor’s decisions."
Well, what a gish-gallop! I'll take half now, the first 6 paragraphs.
Thimerosal was removed from childhood vaccines in 2001. That was 17 years ago. It was removed despite any evidence that it was harmful, as "an abundance of caution" if you will. It didn't do anything to convince the antivaxers. They just started fixating on other substances in vaccines.
Frankly, I do not recall claiming to be so smart. I do have a lot of education and experience in vaccines. Doctors do not get kickbacks for prescribing, and in fact, it is illegal for them to do so. https://oig.hhs.gov/compliance/physi...ion/01laws.asp
Nor have I assumed people are stupid.
Are you accusing nurses of getting kickbacks as well? You've really gone off the rails.
What's your citation for this new evidence about autism and vaccines? "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitchens%27s_razor
Again, not the topic of this thread.
There are no mandatory laws for flu shots. Some employers may have an employee mandate, but obviously, if a large number are not complying, it's not exactly "mandatory".
Note that all comments in purple are personal attacks, something I thought was against the TOS. I thought "off topic" was also a reason to get a post deleted.
I never got one, and nor do I get sick. I have taken 2 sick days in the past 20 years, and that was when I got the noro-virus.
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