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Old 12-15-2018, 12:06 PM
 
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It will get deferred through the system. The only thing is now it forces a Republican plan to happen. Maybe Trump will ffinally unveil his plan.
I sure hope this is sarcasm, because even Trump has virtually admitted he has no plan, never had a plan, and has no clue where to even begin with a plan.

THIS was his "plan"--to repeal the ACA and throw millions of Americans out of healthcare. There was no "plan" for what happens after that.

And that was the GOP's "plan" too. And now watch them scramble because they actually got what they wanted.

The GOP is toast in 2020. This is one issue that the majority of Americans on both sides of the aisle are concerned about. I will tell you from experience that living in this kind of uncertainty, worrying if you will be able to get medical care year after year, as we who depend on the ACA have been living for six years now, is not something people will forget.

Right now I have to worry if I will be able to go see my doctor for my January appointment. How many millions of people are worrying about the same thing right now? How many of them are in the middle of treatment and worried if they will be able to continue? How many have chronic conditions and are worried about being able to have ongoing care?

This hits too close to home for too many people. Republicans are idiots for having pursued this, and this just reiterates that fact.
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Old 12-15-2018, 12:14 PM
 
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Again, Republicans rejoice as things that hurt and damage others. The acts of savage motivations have not ended for people who have embraced the core ideology of savagery. A savage would take food from a baby so one can be assured a savage has not even a thought of consideration or compassion for anyone about anything. Because that is the Ideology, Mentality and Conduct of "Savages".

It's why Civilized Society has not place for Savages nor acts and conduct of savagery. After all these 100's of Years of America's Existence, its finally becoming clear to the people who has been and continues to be the savages.

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As I said in another post, Among the people that came to this country of their own will, were two types. They are:

(1). Civil Minded people who wanted to create and living in a civil society.

(2). Was the Savage, they came with a lust for wealthy, by 'ANY MEANS" at any expense to hoard anything and everything they can by and through every means they can.
They have no conceptual idea that the Civil thing to do was to force legislature to push for premium caps, within the existence of the ACA, and establish the provisions that were first laid out, that mandated participating as a national security concern, because the health of the people is a national security concern.

No matter what Republican do, it won't work... because the people will amass and remove republicans and when they re-establish health care they will build back in all the provisions that make do what it set out to do, and they will put back the things that republican denied in the beginning which would have made it better than the original.

President Obama, told the people, "its was a "first step" to making National Health Care Universal for Americans. It was Republican who colluded with insurance companies to block out people keeping their doctors, because Medical companies only wanted their own "network" doctors to have access the pool of people so they could gain all the pofits, some the doctors who were not part of a Medical Network, were omitted fro being able to retain their patients, and the patients were unable to retain their doctor of choice.
Medical Networks paid the Republican through their lobbyist and other means, to get Republican to push for the exclusion of Out of Network Doctors... (They did it because they knew Republican Constituency did not have the intellect to know this, because they had already been groomed by fear and drama, to side with Medical Network and Insurance companies, and never know that's what they backed.) The insurance companies part within the game, was to raise the rates, to compensate for the fact the doctors could no longer charge excessive cost, and since they insurance had to settle with the doctors in the network for a higher rate, then the best way to make the people cover that within the mindset and methods of the system of insurance and medical networks ideas, is to raise the rates. IT WAS AND IS THE BIGGEST SHAM played out on the people, and Republican still can't think enough to get past drama to see the facts.

People never listened, to their doctor explain to them, why they could not keep him/her, was because the Medical Networks had gained the position through Republican Wrangling, to ensure that Networks dominated the exchanges, and minimized the potential and access of out of network doctors to be included as payee... Many doctors work though networks, for reduced facility rents, insurance coverage and mal-practice group rates, and the access to the networks lawyers in case they find need for legal cover.

This is why the "uneducated" is a continuing danger and continually damage society, and lack the Civility to know what is and what constitutes a Civic Society of Civil Discourse. The uneducated are prone to adopt savagery, by and through their own consumption in desperation's and seeking someone to blame for their condition. "Thus, you have what is the make up of the bulk of the Republican Ranks".

2020 will correct the course, as more Republican Senators at the Federal Level will be Removed, and more Republican will be removed within State Senates and State Representative as well as more Republican Governors will be removed.
Then, there will be a removal of Right Wing Judges and Judges who respect the people who make up the nation, by fair and impartial Judicial processes.

Then Health Care will move forward .... in America.

This round of madness was necessary, to "EXPOSE" the Front Line as well as the back up population of Malice Minded Republican and their Confederate Ideals....
We see now the table is already set, to no longer allow the past to infect the future of men looking at women as objects and sexually abusing her by his abuse of power. We see it in the ways that hate crimes by racist are being exposed and prosecuted, and how race bigotry and racist acts upon others is being held accountable, and facing justice, as well as being removed from the same jobs they took for granted and assumed it gave them the right to be bigoted and racist.

Unfortunate as it is, this is what is within "moving a society forward".... It was never going to be like flipping a switch and presto, "Civility was to be instilled in these Savage Types".... Its a process to exercise savages out of society, some have been "covert and conniving", and it took and continues to take "EXPOSURE" first and then comes the processes of justice.

The moral universe continues its trek and it continues Decade by Decades and Generation by Generations to enact its moral imperative. Democracy has a Moral Imperative !!!! (Not following the moral law is as seen to be self-defeating and thus contrary to reason.)

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Old 12-15-2018, 12:19 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Again, Republicans rejoice as things that hurt and damage others.
What makes you think that exorbitant increases in the cost of insurance premiums and deductibles doesn't hurt and damage others? Step OUT of your narrow-mindedness, and... THINK! ...For a change.
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Old 12-15-2018, 12:25 PM
 
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What makes you think that exorbitant increases in the cost of insurance premiums and deductibles doesn't hurt and damage others? Step OUT of your narrow-mindedness, and... THINK! ...For a change.
Read more and think deeper:

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Medical Networks paid the Republican through their lobbyist and other means, to get Republican to push for the exclusion of Out of Network Doctors... (They did it because they knew Republican Constituency did not have the intellect to know this, because they had already been groomed by fear and drama, to side with Medical Network and Insurance companies, and never know that's what they backed.) The insurance companies part within the game, was to raise the rates, to compensate for the fact the doctors could no longer charge excessive cost, and since they insurance had to settle with the doctors in the network for a higher rate, then the best way to make the people cover that within the mindset and methods of the system of insurance and medical networks ideas, is to raise the rates. IT WAS AND IS THE BIGGEST SHAM played out on the people, and Republican still can't think enough to get past drama to see the facts.

People never listened, to their doctor explain to them, why they could not keep him/her, was because the Medical Networks had gained the position through Republican Wrangling, to ensure that Networks dominated the exchanges, and minimized the potential and access of out of network doctors to be included as payee... Many doctors work though networks, for reduced facility rents, insurance coverage and mal-practice group rates, and the access to the networks lawyers in case they find need for legal cover.
I never said it did not hurt people... fact is, the people need to know, how and why they were and are hurt and who and what is behind it. Then the people can "remove" those who enacted and those who endorsed and promoted this madness which hurt them, they need look no further than the Republicans and Republican Ideology.

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Old 12-15-2018, 12:28 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Read more and think deeper
ANY time a government damages many to supposedly "help" a few is a GIANT step backwards. Please explain HOW you do not know that.
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Old 12-15-2018, 12:30 PM
 
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You can opine about this on and on, but healthcare is NOT a right. In a perfect world maybe, but we are far from a perfect world. And the ACA is A HORRIBLE thing. It taxed the poor and provided NO healthcare at all for anyone who did not make ENOUGH money. That's right. If you didn't make ENOUGH money you couldn't get it.
People don't understand our rights, which is why they think health care is a right.

The rights that we are all aware of and currently have are in place so that our government cant oppress us. Health care just isn't in the same category, and in fact you could argue that giving the government so much control over our health care IS antithetical to our actual rights because it allows them the ability to control life and death matters.
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Old 12-15-2018, 12:33 PM
 
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People don't understand our rights, which is why they think health care is a right.

The rights that we are all aware of and currently have are in place so that our government cant oppress us. Health care just isn't in the same category, and in fact you could argue that giving the government so much control over our health care IS antithetical to our actual rights because it allows them the ability to control life and death matters.
So it's your contention that healthcare should only be available to those who are wealthy?
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Old 12-15-2018, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Voluntarily, not as a mandate. Big difference.
There is no mandate. You can choose to not have insurance, and instead have other people pay for your care.

You leechie-moochie you
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Old 12-15-2018, 12:35 PM
 
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So it's your contention that healthcare should only be available to those who are wealthy?
No, thats just you trying to put words in my mouth and ignore actual historical facts.
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Old 12-15-2018, 12:37 PM
 
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Nope.

#MAGA

I am assuming you will never ever get sick. Or anyone in your family. Next they will come for Medicare.
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