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Old 12-15-2018, 12:40 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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So it's your contention that healthcare should only be available to those who are wealthy?
Healthcare is available to anyone who makes it enough of a priority to PAY for it.
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Old 12-15-2018, 12:42 PM
 
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ANY time a government damages many to supposedly "help" a few is a GIANT step backwards. Please explain HOW you do not know that.
Those without health care, are going to rush to the nearest tax payer university connected hospital, who have "indigent" plans, that cover people who can't afford to pay... and guess what, "that is taxpayer covered"...

It is only considered damage in such terms to those who oppose it, and the minute they loose their paid for health care, or get sick or their kids get sick and don't have health care.... they will "awaken" QUICKLY.

Except maybe for those who think in savagery terms, and not terms of civility. The ones who think in savagery terms might likely see those who are left to die, as a profit angle of organ harvesting for profit. That's how the nature of what is savagery would likely function, based on the principles that denote savagery.

On every issue and/or matter, you continually sound like those "anti-tax" people who love to drive on publicly tax paid for highways.
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Old 12-15-2018, 12:43 PM
 
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No, thats just you trying to put words in my mouth and ignore actual historical facts.
You said healthcare is not a right, so that means it's a privilege, right? One that without a lot of help, the vast majority of people could not afford. And that includes people who are getting their healthcare through their employer. Look at COBRA rates to see what healthcare really costs without government aid. Now tell me how many Americans are wealthy enough to afford that without help.
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Old 12-15-2018, 12:44 PM
 
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You can opine about this on and on, but healthcare is NOT a right. In a perfect world maybe, but we are far from a perfect world. And the ACA is A HORRIBLE thing. It taxed the poor and provided NO healthcare at all for anyone who did not make ENOUGH money. That's right. If you didn't make ENOUGH money you couldn't get it.
But if you didnt make enough you got Medicaid that was also expanded. Now Medicaid will likely be reduced. Yet, eventually this will just lead to a single payer system. The ACA like Part D is a convuluted hybrid incorporati g corporations as a compromise to conservatives.
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Old 12-15-2018, 12:46 PM
 
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The ruling of the Texas judge will be overturned at the federal level.


Try again Trump-dumps

Um, the Texas judge was a federal judge and this ruling was at the federal level. Maybe you should try again?
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Old 12-15-2018, 12:46 PM
 
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You said healthcare is not a right, so that means it's a privilege, right? One that without a lot of help, the vast majority of people could not afford. And that includes people who are getting their healthcare through their employer. Look at COBRA rates to see what healthcare really costs without government aid. Now tell me how many Americans are wealthy enough to afford that without help.
Health care is not a right, period, end of conversation. This fact is not up for debate.
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Old 12-15-2018, 12:48 PM
 
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You said healthcare is not a right, so that means it's a privilege, right? One that without a lot of help, the vast majority of people could not afford. And that includes people who are getting their healthcare through their employer. Look at COBRA rates to see what healthcare really costs without government aid. Now tell me how many Americans are wealthy enough to afford that without help.
Most people who oppose the ACA already have insurance. So they dont care about those who dont. Its not their problem. Until it is one day. Lets see if my private health insurance and theirs suddenly raises there rates due to hypertension, diabetes, high cholesterol. There will be regret in many States when millions of Trump voters are out of coverage.
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Old 12-15-2018, 12:48 PM
 
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Nope.... we have tons of threads of Republicans complaining about THEIR coverage costs on ACA. It is a stretch to believe that those loosing health care insurance is mostly Democrat. A lot of small business and independent workers are relying on ACA now and a lot of them no doubt are Republican leaning.

They are complaining because their premiums skyrocketed above their previous insurance policies because their premiums now have to subsidize the policies for low-income people.
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Old 12-15-2018, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Healthcare is available to anyone who makes it enough of a priority to PAY for it.
Sure. If you need heart by-pass, you just fork out couple of hundred grand which pretty much everyone has saved up for such incidents
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Old 12-15-2018, 12:50 PM
 
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It is only considered damage in such terms to those who oppose it, and the minute they loose their paid for health care, or get sick or their kids get sick and don't have health care....
Incorrect. It's VERY damaging to those who've had to pay SIGNIFICANTLY more in premiums and deductibles costs. Get a clue.
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