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Old 01-09-2019, 04:48 PM
 
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Were insurance companies required to do that? I mean you are making it so like there is no necessity for legislation.
We paid extra.
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Old 01-09-2019, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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The first question that should be asked is whether people have a right to affordable health care. Once that is answered you can figure out how to best do that - insurance, or universal health care, or whatever.

But it is obvious that not everyone thinks that health care is a basic human right. They think that if you are unlucky enough to have a serious problem AND be poor, that it is tough luck for you but not their problem. That is how it is in 3rd world countries. So another way to look at this is: Should the US be more like a 3rd world country and let our poorer citizens suffer?

If the answer is 'no', that people do not have a right to affordable health care, then throw out all the laws that make it unaffordable, such as the pre-existing condition mandate in ACA.
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Old 01-09-2019, 06:53 PM
 
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The first question that should be asked is whether people have a right to affordable health care. Once that is answered you can figure out how to best do that - insurance, or universal health care, or whatever.

But it is obvious that not everyone thinks that health care is a basic human right.

You're confusing having a "right" with being entitled to make someone else pay for it. I have a right to buy a new car but does that mean you have to help with the payments?
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Old 01-09-2019, 06:57 PM
 
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Why doesn't Congress pass laws mandating a national health plan that covers pre-existing conditions?

Because their constituents don't want them to. Because those constituents know that any such plan will cost hugely more than ordinary insurance that doesn't cover pre-existing. And the vast majority of constituents who don't have pre-existing conditions, see no reason why THEY have to pay more when they're not getting more benefits.
Precisely. Their medical problems are not my financial responsibility.
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Old 01-09-2019, 07:17 PM
 
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The first question that should be asked is whether people have a right to affordable health care. Once that is answered you can figure out how to best do that - insurance, or universal health care, or whatever.

But it is obvious that not everyone thinks that health care is a basic human right. They think that if you are unlucky enough to have a serious problem AND be poor, that it is tough luck for you but not their problem. That is how it is in 3rd world countries. So another way to look at this is: Should the US be more like a 3rd world country and let our poorer citizens suffer?

If the answer is 'no', that people do not have a right to affordable health care, then throw out all the laws that make it unaffordable, such as the pre-existing condition mandate in ACA.
HC is not a right. But that doesn't mean we can't do our best to care for our people. We could make HC a right with the constitution. But I don't think that it will come to that.
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Old 01-09-2019, 07:18 PM
 
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You're confusing having a "right" with being entitled to make someone else pay for it. I have a right to buy a new car but does that mean you have to help with the payments?
You and I don't necessarily have to pay for others care. Central moneys above and beyond taxes can be created to do it.
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Old 01-09-2019, 07:25 PM
 
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You and I don't necessarily have to pay for others care. Central moneys above and beyond taxes can be created to do it.
And that money comes from where?
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:03 PM
 
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You and I don't necessarily have to pay for others care. Central moneys above and beyond taxes can be created to do it.

Ocasio-Cortez, is that you?
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:06 PM
 
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Ocasio-Cortez, is that you?
Notice I am still waiting for an answer.
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Old 01-09-2019, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD
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Notice I am still waiting for an answer.
Not from YOU apparently. Right, Mr "My money is for me and not for thee"? So why do you even care?
Or is it because you trust funders can't stand the thought of someone who actually earns their own way, having the same access to health care, as you lace curtain boys.
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